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4 <title>Petter Reinholdtsen - Entries from November
2010</title>
5 <description>Entries from November
2010</description>
6 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/
</link>
10 <title>Debian Edu development gathering and General Assembly for FRiSK
</title>
11 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Debian_Edu_development_gathering_and_General_Assembly_for_FRiSK.html
</link>
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</guid>
13 <pubDate>Mon,
29 Nov
2010 18:
40:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
14 <description><p
>On friday, the first Debian Edu / Skolelinux
15 <a href=
"http://www.friprogramvareiskolen.no/Gathering/
2010-
12-
03-
05-Oslo
">development
16 gathering
</a
> in a long time take place here in Oslo, Norway. I
17 really look forward to seeing all the good people working on the
18 Squeeze release. The gathering is open for everyone interested in
19 learning more about Debian Edu / Skolelinux.
</p
>
21 <p
>On Saturday, the Norwegian member organization taking care of
22 organizing these development gatherings, Fri Programvare i Skolen,
24 <a href=
"http://friprogramvareiskolen.no/Genfors/
2010">General Assembly
25 for
2010</a
>. Membership is open for all, and currently there are
388
26 people registered as members. Last year
32 members cast their vote in
27 the memberdb based election system. I hope more people find time to
28 vote this year.
</p
>
33 <title>Why isn
't Debian Edu using VLC?
</title>
34 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Why_isn_t_Debian_Edu_using_VLC_.html
</link>
35 <guid isPermaLink=
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</guid>
36 <pubDate>Sat,
27 Nov
2010 11:
30:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
37 <description><p
>In the latest issue of Linux Journal, the readers choices were
38 presented, and the winner among the multimedia player were VLC.
39 Personally, I like VLC, and it is my player of choice when I first try
40 to play a video file or stream. Only if VLC fail will I drag out
41 gmplayer to see if it can do better. The reason is mostly the failure
42 model and trust. When VLC fail, it normally pop up a error message
43 reporting the problem. When mplayer fail, it normally segfault or
44 just hangs. The latter failure mode drain my trust in the program.
<p
>
46 <p
>But even if VLC is my player of choice, we have choosen to use
47 mplayer in
<a href=
"http://www.skolelinux.org/
">Debian
48 Edu/Skolelinux
</a
>. The reason is simple. We need a good browser
49 plugin to play web videos seamlessly, and the VLC browser plugin is
50 not very good. For example, it lack in-line control buttons, so there
51 is no way for the user to pause the video. Also, when I
52 <a href=
"http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/BrowserMultimedia
">last
53 tested the browser plugins
</a
> available in Debian, the VLC plugin
54 failed on several video pages where mplayer based plugins worked. If
55 the browser plugin for VLC was as good as the gecko-mediaplayer
56 package (which uses mplayer), we would switch.
</P
>
58 <p
>While VLC is a good player, its user interface is slightly
59 annoying. The most annoying feature is its inconsistent use of
60 keyboard shortcuts. When the player is in full screen mode, its
61 shortcuts are different from when it is playing the video in a window.
62 For example, space only work as pause when in full screen mode. I
63 wish it had consisten shortcuts and that space also would work when in
64 window mode. Another nice shortcut in gmplayer is [enter] to restart
65 the current video. It is very nice when playing short videos from the
66 web and want to restart it when new people arrive to have a look at
67 what is going on.
</p
>
72 <title>DND hedrer overvåkning av barn med Rosingsprisen
</title>
73 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/DND_hedrer_overv_kning_av_barn_med_Rosingsprisen.html
</link>
74 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/DND_hedrer_overv_kning_av_barn_med_Rosingsprisen.html
</guid>
75 <pubDate>Tue,
23 Nov
2010 14:
15:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
76 <description><p
>Jeg registrerer med vond smak i munnen at Den Norske Dataforening
78 href=
"http://www.dataforeningen.no/hedret-med-rosingprisen
.4849070-
133913.html
">hedrer
79 overvåkning av barn med Rosingsprisen for kreativitet i år
</a
>. Jeg
80 er glad jeg nå er meldt ut av DND.
</p
>
82 <p
>Å elektronisk overvåke sine barn er ikke å gjøre dem en tjeneste,
83 men et overgrep mot individer i utvikling som bør læres opp til å ta
86 <p
>For å sitere Datatilsynets nye leder, Bjørn Erik Thon, i
87 <a href=
"http://www.idg.no/computerworld/article174262.ece
">et intervju
88 med Computerworld Norge
</A
>:
</p
>
90 <p
><blockquote
>
91 - For alle som har barn, meg selv inkludert, er førstetanken at det
92 hadde vært fint å vite hvor barnet sitt er til enhver tid. Men ungene
93 har ikke godt av det. De er små individer som skal søke rundt og finne
94 sine små gjemmesteder og utvide horisonten, uten at foreldrene ser dem
95 i kortene. Det kan være fristende, men jeg ville ikke gått inn i
97 </blockquote
></p
>
99 <p
>Det er skremmende å se at DND mener en tjeneste som legger opp til
100 slike overgrep bør hedres. Å flytte oppveksten for barn inn i en
102 <a href=
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
">Panopticon
</a
> er et
103 grovt overgrep og vil gjøre skade på barnenes utvikling, og foreldre
104 burde tenke seg godt om før de gir etter for sine instinkter her.
</p
>
106 <p
>Blipper-tjenesten får meg til å tenke på bøkene til
107 <a href=
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Twelve_Hawks
">John Twelve
108 Hawks
</a
>, som forbilledlig beskriver hvordan et totalitært
109 overvåkningssamfunn bygges sakte men sikkert rundt oss, satt sammen av
110 gode intensjoner og manglende bevissthet om hvilke prinsipper et
111 liberalt demokrati er fundamentert på. Jeg har hatt stor glede av å
112 lese alle de tre bøkene.
</p
>
117 <title>Lenny-
>Squeeze upgrades of the Gnome and KDE desktop, now with apt-get autoremove
</title>
118 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades_of_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop__now_with_apt_get_autoremove.html
</link>
119 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades_of_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop__now_with_apt_get_autoremove.html
</guid>
120 <pubDate>Mon,
22 Nov
2010 14:
15:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
121 <description><p
>Michael Biebl suggested to me on IRC, that I changed my automated
122 upgrade testing of the
123 <a href=
"https://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian-upgrade-testing/
">Lenny
124 Gnome and KDE Desktop
</a
> to do
<tt
>apt-get autoremove
</tt
> when using apt-get.
125 This seem like a very good idea, so I adjusted by test scripts and
126 can now present the updated result from today:
</p
>
128 <p
>This is for Gnome:
</p
>
130 <p
>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude
</p
>
132 <blockquote
><p
>
144 freedesktop-sound-theme
146 gconf-defaults-service
161 gnome-desktop-environment
165 gnome-session-canberra
170 gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
179 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3
182 libboost-date-time1.42
.0
183 libboost-python1.42
.0
184 libboost-thread1.42
.0
186 libchamplain-gtk-
0.4-
0
188 libclutter-gtk-
0.10-
0
195 libfreerdp-plugins-standard
210 libgnomepanel2.24-cil
215 libgtksourceview2.0-common
216 libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
217 libmono-addins0.2-cil
219 libmono-corlib2.0-cil
220 libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil
222 libmono-security2.0-cil
223 libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
224 libmono-system2.0-cil
227 libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil
238 libtelepathy-farsight0
247 nautilus-sendto-empathy
268 python-gtksourceview2
292 python-zope.interface
297 rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
304 system-config-printer-udev
306 telepathy-mission-control-
5
317 </p
></blockquote
>
319 <p
>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude
</p
>
321 <blockquote
><p
>
327 fast-user-switch-applet
346 libgtksourceview2.0-
0
354 system-config-printer
359 </p
></blockquote
>
361 <p
>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get
</p
>
363 <blockquote
><p
>
364 gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs
365 </p
></blockquote
>
367 <p
>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get
</p
>
369 <blockquote
><p
>
371 </p
></blockquote
>
373 <p
>This is for KDE:
</p
>
375 <p
>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude
</p
>
377 <blockquote
><p
>
379 </p
></blockquote
>
381 <p
>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude
</p
>
383 <blockquote
><p
>
386 </p
></blockquote
>
388 <p
>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get
</p
>
390 <blockquote
><p
>
406 kdeartwork-theme-icon
410 kdebase-workspace-bin
411 kdebase-workspace-data
440 plasma-dataengines-workspace
442 plasma-desktopthemes-artwork
443 plasma-runners-addons
444 plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets
445 plasma-scriptengine-python
446 plasma-scriptengine-qedje
447 plasma-scriptengine-ruby
448 plasma-scriptengine-webkit
450 plasma-wallpapers-addons
451 plasma-widget-folderview
452 plasma-widget-networkmanagement
456 xscreensaver-data-extra
458 xscreensaver-gl-extra
459 xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod
460 </p
></blockquote
>
462 <p
>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get
</p
>
464 <blockquote
><p
>
466 google-gadgets-common
489 libkonqsidebarplugin4a
498 libplasma-geolocation-interface4
500 libplasmagenericshell4
543 plasma-dataengines-addons
544 plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba
545 plasma-widget-lancelot
546 plasma-widgets-addons
547 plasma-widgets-workspace
551 update-notifier-common
552 </p
></blockquote
>
554 <p
>Running apt-get autoremove made the results using apt-get and
555 aptitude a bit more similar, but there are still quite a lott of
556 differences. I have no idea what packages should be installed after
557 the upgrade, but hope those that do can have a look.
</p
>
562 <title>Migrating Xen virtual machines using LVM to KVM using disk images
</title>
563 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Migrating_Xen_virtual_machines_using_LVM_to_KVM_using_disk_images.html
</link>
564 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Migrating_Xen_virtual_machines_using_LVM_to_KVM_using_disk_images.html
</guid>
565 <pubDate>Mon,
22 Nov
2010 11:
20:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
566 <description><p
>Most of the computers in use by the
567 <a href=
"http://www.skolelinux.org/
">Debian Edu/Skolelinux project
</a
>
568 are virtual machines. And they have been Xen machines running on a
569 fairly old IBM eserver xseries
345 machine, and we wanted to migrate
570 them to KVM on a newer Dell PowerEdge
2950 host machine. This was a
571 bit harder that it could have been, because we set up the Xen virtual
572 machines to get the virtual partitions from LVM, which as far as I
573 know is not supported by KVM. So to migrate, we had to convert
574 several LVM logical volumes to partitions on a virtual disk file.
</p
>
577 <a href=
"http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com.au/articles/
35011-Six-steps-for-migrating-Xen-virtual-machines-to-KVM
">a
578 nice recipe
</a
> to do this, and wrote the following script to do the
579 migration. It uses qemu-img from the qemu package to make the disk
580 image, parted to partition it, losetup and kpartx to present the disk
581 image partions as devices, and dd to copy the data. I NFS mounted the
582 new servers storage area on the old server to do the migration.
</p
>
588 # http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com.au/articles/
35011-Six-steps-for-migrating-Xen-virtual-machines-to-KVM
593 if [ -z
"$
1" ] ; then
594 echo
"Usage: $
0 &lt;hostname
&gt;
"
600 if [ ! -e /dev/vg_data/$host-disk ] ; then
601 echo
"error: unable to find LVM volume for $host
"
605 # Partitions need to be a bit bigger than the LVM LVs. not sure why.
606 disksize=$( lvs --units m | grep $host-disk | awk
'{sum = sum + $
4} END { print int(sum *
1.05) }
')
607 swapsize=$( lvs --units m | grep $host-swap | awk
'{sum = sum + $
4} END { print int(sum *
1.05) }
')
608 totalsize=$(( ( $disksize + $swapsize ) ))
611 #dd if=/dev/zero of=$img bs=
1M count=$(( $disksize + $swapsize ))
612 qemu-img create $img ${totalsize}MMaking room on the Debian Edu/Sqeeze DVD
614 parted $img mklabel msdos
615 parted $img mkpart primary linux-swap
0 $disksize
616 parted $img mkpart primary ext2 $disksize $totalsize
617 parted $img set
1 boot on
620 losetup /dev/loop0 $img
623 dd if=/dev/vg_data/$host-disk of=/dev/mapper/loop0p1 bs=
1M
624 fsck.ext3 -f /dev/mapper/loop0p1 || true
625 mkswap /dev/mapper/loop0p2
628 losetup -d /dev/loop0
631 <p
>The script is perhaps so simple that it is not copyrightable, but
632 if it is, it is licenced using GPL v2 or later at your discretion.
</p
>
634 <p
>After doing this, I booted a Debian CD in rescue mode in KVM with
635 the new disk image attached, installed grub-pc and linux-image-
686 and
636 set up grub to boot from the disk image. After this, the KVM machines
637 seem to work just fine.
</p
>
642 <title>Lenny-
>Squeeze upgrades, apt vs aptitude with the Gnome and KDE desktop
</title>
643 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades__apt_vs_aptitude_with_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop.html
</link>
644 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades__apt_vs_aptitude_with_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop.html
</guid>
645 <pubDate>Sat,
20 Nov
2010 22:
50:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
646 <description><p
>I
'm still running upgrade testing of the
647 <a href=
"https://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian-upgrade-testing/
">Lenny
648 Gnome and KDE Desktop
</a
>, but have not had time to spend on reporting the
649 status. Here is a short update based on a test I ran
20101118.
</p
>
651 <p
>I still do not know what a correct migration should look like, so I
652 report any differences between apt and aptitude and hope someone else
653 can see if anything should be changed.
</p
>
655 <p
>This is for Gnome:
</p
>
657 <p
>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude
</p
>
659 <blockquote
><p
>
660 apache2.2-bin aptdaemon at-spi baobab binfmt-support
661 browser-plugin-gnash cheese-common cli-common cpp-
4.3 cups-pk-helper
662 dmz-cursor-theme empathy empathy-common finger
663 freedesktop-sound-theme freeglut3 gconf-defaults-service gdm-themes
664 gedit-plugins geoclue geoclue-hostip geoclue-localnet geoclue-manual
665 geoclue-yahoo gnash gnash-common gnome gnome-backgrounds
666 gnome-cards-data gnome-codec-install gnome-core
667 gnome-desktop-environment gnome-disk-utility gnome-screenshot
668 gnome-search-tool gnome-session-canberra gnome-spell
669 gnome-system-log gnome-themes-extras gnome-themes-more
670 gnome-user-share gs-common gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
671 gstreamer0.10-tools gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-pixbuf
672 gtk2-engines-smooth hal-info hamster-applet libapache2-mod-dnssd
673 libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap
674 libart2.0-cil libatspi1.0-
0 libboost-date-time1.42
.0
675 libboost-python1.42
.0 libboost-thread1.42
.0 libchamplain-
0.4-
0
676 libchamplain-gtk-
0.4-
0 libcheese-gtk18 libclutter-gtk-
0.10-
0
677 libcryptui0 libcupsys2 libdiscid0 libeel2-data libelf1 libepc-
1.0-
2
678 libepc-common libepc-ui-
1.0-
2 libfreerdp-plugins-standard
679 libfreerdp0 libgail-common libgconf2.0-cil libgdata-common libgdata7
680 libgdl-
1-common libgdu-gtk0 libgee2 libgeoclue0 libgexiv2-
0 libgif4
681 libglade2.0-cil libglib2.0-cil libgmime2.4-cil libgnome-vfs2.0-cil
682 libgnome2.24-cil libgnomepanel2.24-cil libgnomeprint2.2-data
683 libgnomeprintui2.2-common libgnomevfs2-bin libgpod-common libgpod4
684 libgtk2.0-cil libgtkglext1 libgtksourceview-common
685 libgtksourceview2.0-common libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
686 libmono-addins0.2-cil libmono-cairo2.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil
687 libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil libmono-posix2.0-cil
688 libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
689 libmono-system2.0-cil libmtp8 libmusicbrainz3-
6
690 libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil libndesk-dbus1.0-cil libopal3.6
.8
691 libpolkit-gtk-
1-
0 libpt-
1.10.10-plugins-alsa
692 libpt-
1.10.10-plugins-v4l libpt2.6
.7 libpython2.6 librpm1 librpmio1
693 libsdl1.2debian libservlet2.4-java libsrtp0 libssh-
4
694 libtelepathy-farsight0 libtelepathy-glib0 libtidy-
0.99-
0
695 libxalan2-java libxerces2-java media-player-info mesa-utils
696 mono-
2.0-gac mono-gac mono-runtime nautilus-sendto
697 nautilus-sendto-empathy openoffice.org-writer2latex
698 openssl-blacklist p7zip p7zip-full pkg-config python-
4suite-xml
699 python-aptdaemon python-aptdaemon-gtk python-axiom
700 python-beautifulsoup python-bugbuddy python-clientform
701 python-coherence python-configobj python-crypto python-cupshelpers
702 python-cupsutils python-eggtrayicon python-elementtree
703 python-epsilon python-evolution python-feedparser python-gdata
704 python-gdbm python-gst0.10 python-gtkglext1 python-gtkmozembed
705 python-gtksourceview2 python-httplib2 python-louie python-mako
706 python-markupsafe python-mechanize python-nevow python-notify
707 python-opengl python-openssl python-pam python-pkg-resources
708 python-pyasn1 python-pysqlite2 python-rdflib python-serial
709 python-tagpy python-twisted-bin python-twisted-conch
710 python-twisted-core python-twisted-web python-utidylib python-webkit
711 python-xdg python-zope.interface remmina remmina-plugin-data
712 remmina-plugin-rdp remmina-plugin-vnc rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
713 rhythmbox-plugins rpm-common rpm2cpio seahorse-plugins shotwell
714 software-center svgalibg1 system-config-printer-udev
715 telepathy-gabble telepathy-mission-control-
5 telepathy-salut tomboy
716 totem totem-coherence totem-mozilla totem-plugins
717 transmission-common xdg-user-dirs xdg-user-dirs-gtk xserver-xephyr
719 </p
></blockquote
>
721 Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude
723 <blockquote
><p
>
724 arj bluez-utils cheese dhcdbd djvulibre-desktop ekiga eog
725 epiphany-extensions epiphany-gecko evolution-exchange
726 fast-user-switch-applet file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdm gedit
727 gedit-common gnome-app-install gnome-games gnome-games-data
728 gnome-nettool gnome-system-tools gnome-themes gnome-utils
729 gnome-vfs-obexftp gnome-volume-manager gnuchess gucharmap
730 guile-
1.8-libs hal libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-core5
731 libavahi-ui0 libbind9-
50 libbluetooth2 libcamel1.2-
11 libcdio7
732 libcucul0 libcurl3 libdirectfb-
1.0-
0 libdmx1 libdvdread3
733 libedata-cal1.2-
6 libedataserver1.2-
9 libeel2-
2.20 libepc-
1.0-
1
734 libepc-ui-
1.0-
1 libexchange-storage1.2-
3 libfaad0 libgadu3
735 libgalago3 libgd2-noxpm libgda3-
3 libgda3-common libggz2 libggzcore9
736 libggzmod4 libgksu1.2-
0 libgksuui1.0-
1 libgmyth0 libgnome-desktop-
2
737 libgnome-pilot2 libgnomecups1.0-
1 libgnomeprint2.2-
0
738 libgnomeprintui2.2-
0 libgpod3 libgraphviz4 libgtk-vnc-
1.0-
0
739 libgtkhtml2-
0 libgtksourceview1.0-
0 libgtksourceview2.0-
0
740 libgucharmap6 libhesiod0 libicu38 libisccc50 libisccfg50 libiw29
741 libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libkpathsea4 liblircclient0 libltdl3 liblwres50
742 libmagick++
10 libmagick10 libmalaga7 libmozjs1d libmpfr1ldbl libmtp7
743 libmysqlclient15off libnautilus-burn4 libneon27 libnm-glib0
744 libnm-util0 libopal-
2.2 libosp5 libparted1.8-
10 libpisock9
745 libpisync1 libpoppler-glib3 libpoppler3 libpt-
1.10.10 libraw1394-
8
746 libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsensors3 libsexy2 libsmbios2 libsoup2.2-
8
747 libspeexdsp1 libssh2-
1 libsuitesparse-
3.1.0 libsvga1
748 libswfdec-
0.6-
90 libtalloc1 libtotem-plparser10 libtrackerclient0
749 libvoikko1 libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java-gcj libxklavier12
750 libxtrap6 libxxf86misc1 libzephyr3 mysql-common rhythmbox seahorse
751 sound-juicer swfdec-gnome system-config-printer totem-common
752 totem-gstreamer transmission-gtk vinagre vino w3c-dtd-xhtml wodim
753 </p
></blockquote
>
755 <p
>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get
</p
>
757 <blockquote
><p
>
758 gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs
759 </p
></blockquote
>
761 <p
>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get
</p
>
763 <blockquote
><p
>
765 </p
></blockquote
>
767 <p
>This is for KDE:
</p
>
769 <p
>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude
</p
>
771 <blockquote
><p
>
772 autopoint bomber bovo cantor cantor-backend-kalgebra cpp-
4.3 dcoprss
773 edict espeak espeak-data eyesapplet fifteenapplet finger gettext
774 ghostscript-x git gnome-audio gnugo granatier gs-common
775 gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio indi kaddressbook-plugins kalgebra
776 kalzium-data kanjidic kapman kate-plugins kblocks kbreakout kbstate
777 kde-icons-mono kdeaccessibility kdeaddons-kfile-plugins
778 kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-misc kdeartwork-theme-window
779 kdeedu kdeedu-data kdeedu-kvtml-data kdegames kdegames-card-data
780 kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelirc
781 kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
782 kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins kdessh kdetoys kdewebdev
783 kdiamond kdnssd kfilereplace kfourinline kgeography-data kigo
784 killbots kiriki klettres-data kmoon kmrml knewsticker-scripts
785 kollision kpf krosspython ksirk ksmserver ksquares kstars-data
786 ksudoku kubrick kweather libasound2-plugins libboost-python1.42
.0
787 libcfitsio3 libconvert-binhex-perl libcrypt-ssleay-perl libdb4.6++
788 libdjvulibre-text libdotconf1.0 liberror-perl libespeak1
789 libfinance-quote-perl libgail-common libgsl0ldbl libhtml-parser-perl
790 libhtml-tableextract-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl
791 libio-stringy-perl libkdeedu4 libkdegames5 libkiten4 libkpathsea5
792 libkrossui4 libmailtools-perl libmime-tools-perl
793 libnews-nntpclient-perl libopenbabel3 libportaudio2 libpulse-browse0
794 libservlet2.4-java libspeechd2 libtiff-tools libtimedate-perl
795 libunistring0 liburi-perl libwww-perl libxalan2-java libxerces2-java
796 lirc luatex marble networkstatus noatun-plugins
797 openoffice.org-writer2latex palapeli palapeli-data parley
798 parley-data poster psutils pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat
799 pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-utils quanta-data rocs rsync
800 speech-dispatcher step svgalibg1 texlive-binaries texlive-luatex
802 </p
></blockquote
>
804 <p
>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude
</p
>
806 <blockquote
><p
>
807 amor artsbuilder atlantik atlantikdesigner blinken bluez-utils cvs
808 dhcdbd djvulibre-desktop imlib-base imlib11 kalzium kanagram kandy
809 kasteroids katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kbounce kbruch
810 kcron kdat kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data kdeprint kdict kdvi kedit
811 keduca kenolaba kfax kfaxview kfouleggs kgeography kghostview
812 kgoldrunner khangman khexedit kiconedit kig kimagemapeditor
813 kitchensync kiten kjumpingcube klatin klettres klickety klines
814 klinkstatus kmag kmahjongg kmailcvt kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmines
815 kmousetool kmouth kmplot knetwalk kodo kolf kommander konquest kooka
816 kpager kpat kpdf kpercentage kpilot kpoker kpovmodeler krec
817 kregexpeditor kreversi ksame ksayit kshisen ksig ksim ksirc ksirtet
818 ksmiletris ksnake ksokoban kspaceduel kstars ksvg ksysv kteatime
819 ktip ktnef ktouch ktron kttsd ktuberling kturtle ktux kuickshow
820 kverbos kview kviewshell kvoctrain kwifimanager kwin kwin4 kwordquiz
821 kworldclock kxsldbg libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1-audiofile
822 libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
823 libavahi-core5 libavc1394-
0 libbind9-
50 libbluetooth2
824 libboost-python1.34
.1 libcucul0 libcurl3 libcvsservice0
825 libdirectfb-
1.0-
0 libdjvulibre21 libdvdread3 libfaad0 libfreebob0
826 libgd2-noxpm libgraphviz4 libgsmme1c2a libgtkhtml2-
0 libicu38
827 libiec61883-
0 libindex0 libisccc50 libisccfg50 libiw29
828 libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libk3b3 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdeedu3
829 libkdegames1 libkdepim1a libkgantt0 libkleopatra1 libkmime2
830 libkpathsea4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
831 libksieve0 libktnef1 liblockdev1 libltdl3 liblwres50 libmagick10
832 libmimelib1c2a libmodplug0c2 libmozjs1d libmpcdec3 libmpfr1ldbl
833 libneon27 libnm-util0 libopensync0 libpisock9 libpoppler-glib3
834 libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler3 libraw1394-
8 librss1 libsensors3
835 libsmbios2 libssh2-
1 libsuitesparse-
3.1.0 libswfdec-
0.6-
90
836 libtalloc1 libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java-gcj libxtrap6 lskat
837 mpeglib network-manager-kde noatun pmount tex-common texlive-base
838 texlive-common texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-recommended tidy
839 ttf-dustin ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-sjfonts
840 </p
></blockquote
>
842 <p
>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get
</p
>
844 <blockquote
><p
>
845 dolphin kde-core kde-plasma-desktop kde-standard kde-window-manager
846 kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-apps kdebase-workspace
847 kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdeutils kscreensaver
848 kscreensaver-xsavers libgle3 libkonq5 libkonq5-templates libnetpbm10
849 netpbm plasma-widget-folderview plasma-widget-networkmanagement
850 xscreensaver-data-extra xscreensaver-gl xscreensaver-gl-extra
851 xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod
852 </p
></blockquote
>
854 <p
>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get
</p
>
856 <blockquote
><p
>
857 kdebase-bin konq-plugins konqueror
858 </p
></blockquote
>
863 <title>Gnash buildbot slave and Debian kfreebsd
</title>
864 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Gnash_buildbot_slave_and_Debian_kfreebsd.html
</link>
865 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Gnash_buildbot_slave_and_Debian_kfreebsd.html
</guid>
866 <pubDate>Sat,
20 Nov
2010 07:
20:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
867 <description><p
>Answering
868 <a href=
"http://www.listware.net/
201011/gnash-dev/
67431-gnash-dev-buildbot-looking-for-slaves.html
">the
869 call from the Gnash project
</a
> for
870 <a href=
"http://www.gnashdev.org:
8010">buildbot
</a
> slaves to test the
871 current source, I have set up a virtual KVM machine on the Debian
872 Edu/Skolelinux virtualization host to test the git source on
873 Debian/Squeeze. I hope this can help the developers in getting new
874 releases out more often.
</p
>
876 <p
>As the developers want less main-stream build platforms tested to,
877 I have considered setting up a
<a
878 href=
"http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
">Debian/kfreebsd
</a
>
879 machine as well. I have also considered using the kfreebsd
880 architecture in Debian as a file server in NUUG to get access to the
5
881 TB zfs volume we currently use to store DV video. Because of this, I
882 finally got around to do a test installation of Debian/Squeeze with
883 kfreebsd. Installation went fairly smooth, thought I noticed some
884 visual glitches in the cdebconf dialogs (black cursor left on the
885 screen at random locations). Have not gotten very far with the
886 testing. Noticed cfdisk did not work, but fdisk did so it was not a
887 fatal problem. Have to spend some more time on it to see if it is
888 useful as a file server for NUUG. Will try to find time to set up a
889 gnash buildbot slave on the Debian Edu/Skolelinux this weekend.
</p
>
894 <title>Nå er
74 norske overvåkningskamera registert i OpenStreetmap.org
</title>
895 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/N__er_74_norske_overv_kningskamera_registert_i_OpenStreetmap_org.html
</link>
896 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/N__er_74_norske_overv_kningskamera_registert_i_OpenStreetmap_org.html
</guid>
897 <pubDate>Thu,
18 Nov
2010 11:
25:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
898 <description><p
>Jeg oppdaterte nettopp kartet med overvåkningskamera som
899 <a href=
"http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Kart_over_overv__kningskamera_i_Norge.html
">jeg
900 startet
</a
> for ca. et og et halvt år siden, og nå er det
74 kamera på
901 plass. I prosessen med å oppdatere kartet oppdaget jeg ved en
902 tilfeldighet at webreferansen til registermeldingen hos Datatilsynet
903 nå ikke lenger er gyldig (se
904 <a href=
"http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_view.pl?id=
31062">tidligere
905 melding
</a
>). Antar Datatilsynet fjerner utdaterte meldinger fra
906 databasen. Konsekvensen blir at kameraoversikten i OSM må ha med
907 søkekriteriene som ble brukt for å finne registermeldingen
908 (dvs. virksomhetsnavn og organisasjonsnummer), slik at eventuelt nye
909 meldinger for samme kamera kan finnes igjen.
</p
>
911 <p
>Det er dukket opp kamera på
912 <a href=
"http://www.hungry.com/~pere/surveillance-norway/
">kartet
</a
>
913 i Bergensområdet, Stavangerområdet, Osloområdet, Gjøvikområdet og i
914 Troms. Mange områder og kamera mangler, og jeg er overbevist om at
915 bare en brøkdel av den enorme mengden kamera som nå finnes i det
916 offentlige rom er registrert så langt. Instrukser for å legge inn
917 kamera finnes på websiden for kartet hos
918 <a href=
"http://personvern.no/wiki/index.php/Kameraovervåkning
">personvernforeningen
</a
>.
</p
>
923 <title>Gjendikte sangen
"Copying Is Not Theft
" på Norsk?
</title>
924 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Gjendikte_sangen__Copying_Is_Not_Theft__p__Norsk_.html
</link>
925 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Gjendikte_sangen__Copying_Is_Not_Theft__p__Norsk_.html
</guid>
926 <pubDate>Wed,
10 Nov
2010 14:
40:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
927 <description><p
>En genial liten sang om kopiering og tyveri er
928 <a href=
"http://www.archive.org/details/CopyingIsNotTheft
">Copying Is
929 Not Theft
</a
> av Nina Paley. Den vil jeg at
930 <a href=
"http://www.nuug.no/
">NUUG
</a
> skal sende på
931 <a href=
"http://www.frikanalen.no/
">Frikanalen
</a
>, men først må vi
932 fikse norske undertekster eller dubbing. Og i og med at det er en
933 sang, tror jeg den kanskje bør gjendiktes.
935 Selve teksten finner en på bloggen til
936 <a href=
"http://blog.ninapaley.com/
2009/
12/
15/minute-meme-
1-copying-is-not-theft/
">tekstforfatteren
</a
> og den ser slik ut:
938 <p
><blockquote
>
939 <p
>Copying is not theft.
940 <br
>Stealing a thing leaves one less left
941 <br
>Copying it makes one thing more;
942 <br
>that
's what copying
's for.
</p
>
944 <p
>Copying is not theft.
945 <br
>If I copy yours you have it too
946 <br
>One for me and one for you
947 <br
>That
's what copies can do
</p
>
949 <p
>If I steal your bicycle
950 <br
>you have to take the bus,
951 <br
>but if I just copy it
952 <br
>there
's one for each of us!
</p
>
954 <p
>Making more of a thing,
955 <br
>that is what we call
"copying
"
956 <br
>Sharing ideas with everyone
957 <br
>That
's why copying
959 <br
>FUN!
</p
>
960 </blockquote
></p
>
962 <p
>Her er et naivt forsøk på oversettelse, uten noe forsøk på
963 gjendiktning eller få det til å flyte sammen med melodien.
</p
>
965 <p
><blockquote
>
966 <p
>Kopiering er ikke tyveri.
967 <br
>Stjeler du en ting er det en mindre igjen
968 <br
>Kopier den og det er ting til.
969 <br
>det er derfor vi har kopiering.
</p
>
971 <p
>Kopiering er ikke tyveri.
972 <br
>Hvis jeg kopierer din så har du den fortsatt
973 <br
>En for meg og en for deg.
974 <br
>Det er det kopier gir oss
</p
>
976 <p
>Hvis jeg stjeler sykkelen din
977 <br
>så må du ta bussen,
978 <br
>men hvis jeg bare kopierer den,
979 <br
>så får vi hver vår!
</p
>
981 <p
>Lage mer av en ting,
982 <br
>det er det vi kaller
"kopiering
".
983 <br
>Deler ideer med enhver
984 <br
>Det er derfor kopiering
986 <br
>MORSOMT!
</p
>
987 </blockquote
></p
>
989 <p
>Hvis du har forslag til bedre oversettelse eller lyst til å bidra
990 til å få denne sangen over i norsk språkdrakt, ta kontakt med video
991 (at) nuug.no.
</p
>
996 <title>Debian in
3D
</title>
997 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Debian_in_3D.html
</link>
998 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Debian_in_3D.html
</guid>
999 <pubDate>Tue,
9 Nov
2010 16:
10:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
1000 <description><p
><img src=
"http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/
23/e0/c4/f9/
2b/debswagtdose_preview_medium.jpg
"></p
>
1002 <p
>3D printing is just great. I just came across this Debian logo in
1004 <a href=
"http://blog.thingiverse.com/
2010/
11/
09/participatory-branding/
">the
1005 thingiverse blog
</a
>.
</p
>
1010 <title>Datatilsynet mangler verktøyet som trengs for å kontrollere kameraovervåkning
</title>
1011 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Datatilsynet_mangler_verkt_yet_som_trengs_for___kontrollere_kameraoverv_kning.html
</link>
1012 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Datatilsynet_mangler_verkt_yet_som_trengs_for___kontrollere_kameraoverv_kning.html
</guid>
1013 <pubDate>Tue,
9 Nov
2010 14:
35:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
1014 <description><p
>En stund tilbake ble jeg oppmerksom på at Datatilsynets verktøy for
1015 å holde rede på overvåkningskamera i Norge ikke var egnet til annet
1016 enn å lage statistikk, og ikke kunne brukes for å kontrollere om et
1017 overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom er lovlig satt opp og
1018 registrert. For å teste hypotesen sendte jeg for noen dager siden
1019 følgende spørsmål til datatilsynet. Det omtalte kameraet står litt
1020 merkelig plassert i veigrøften ved gangstien langs Sandakerveien, og
1021 jeg lurer oppriktig på om det er lovlig plassert og registrert.
</p
>
1023 <p
><blockquote
>
1024 <p
>Date: Tue,
2 Nov
2010 16:
08:
20 +
0100
1025 <br
>From: Petter Reinholdtsen
&lt;pere (at) hungry.com
&gt;
1026 <br
>To: postkasse (at) datatilsynet.no
1027 <br
>Subject: Er overvåkningskameraet korrekt registrert?
</p
>
1029 <p
>Hei.
</p
>
1031 <p
>I Nydalen i Oslo er det mange overvåkningskamera, og et av dem er
1032 spesielt merkelig plassert like over et kumlokk. Jeg lurer på om
1033 dette kameraet er korrekt registrert og i henhold til lovverket.
</p
>
1035 <p
>Finner ingen eierinformasjon på kameraet, og dermed heller ingenting å
1036 søke på i
&lt;URL:
1037 <a href=
"http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_search.pl
">http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_search.pl
</a
> &gt;.
1038 Kartreferanse for kameraet er tilgjengelig fra
1040 <a href=
"http://www.hungry.com/~pere/surveillance-norway/?zoom=
17&lat=
59.94918&lon=
10.76962&layers=B0T
">https://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/?zoom=
17&lat=
59.94918&lon=
10.76962&layers=B0T
</a
> &gt;.
1042 <p
>Kan dere fortelle meg om dette kameraet er registrert hos
1043 Datatilsynet som det skal være i henhold til lovverket?
</p
>
1045 <p
>Det hadde forresten vært fint om rådata fra kameraregisteret var
1046 tilgjengelig på web og regelmessig oppdatert, for å kunne søke på
1047 andre ting enn organisasjonsnavn og -nummer ved å laste det ned og
1048 gjøre egne søk.
</p
>
1050 <p
>Vennlig hilsen,
1052 <br
>Petter Reinholdtsen
1053 </blockquote
></p
>
1055 <p
>Her er svaret som kom dagen etter:
</p
>
1057 <p
><blockquote
>
1058 <p
>Date: Wed,
3 Nov
2010 14:
44:
09 +
0100
1059 <br
>From:
"juridisk
" &lt;juridisk (at) Datatilsynet.no
&gt;
1060 <br
>To: Petter Reinholdtsen
1061 <br
>Subject: VS: Er overvåkningskameraet korrekt registrert?
1063 <p
>Viser til e-post av
2. november.
1065 <p
>Datatilsynet er det forvaltningsorganet som skal kontrollere at
1066 personopplysningsloven blir fulgt. Formålet med loven er å verne
1067 enkeltpersoner mot krenking av personvernet gjennom behandling av
1068 personopplysninger.
</p
>
1070 <p
>Juridisk veiledningstjeneste hos Datatilsynet gir råd og veiledning
1071 omkring personopplysningslovens regler på generelt grunnlag.
</p
>
1073 <p
>Datatilsynet har dessverre ikke en fullstendig oversikt over alle
1074 kameraer, den oversikten som finner er i vår meldingsdatabase som du
1076 <a href=
"http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____211.aspx
">http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____211.aspx
</a
></p
>
1078 <p
>Denne databasen gir en oversikt over virksomheter som har meldt inn
1079 kameraovervåkning. Dersom man ikek vet hvilken virksomhet som er
1080 ansvarlig, er det heller ikke mulig for Datatilsynet å søke dette
1083 <p
>Webkameraer som har så dårlig oppløsning at man ikke kan gjenkjenne
1084 enkeltpersoner er ikke meldepliktige, da dette ikke anses som
1085 kameraovervåkning i personopplysningslovens forstand. Dersom kameraet
1086 du sikter til er et slikt webkamera, vil det kanskje ikke finnes i
1087 meldingsdatabasen på grunn av dette. Også dersom et kamera med god
1088 oppløsning ikke filmer mennesker, faller det utenfor loven.
</p
>
1090 <p
>Datatilsynet har laget en veileder som gjennomgår når det er lov å
1091 overvåke med kamera, se lenke:
1092 <a href=
"http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____401.aspx
">http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____401.aspx
</a
></p
>
1094 <p
>Dersom det ikke er klart hvem som er ansvarlig for kameraet, er det
1095 vanskelig for Datatilsynet å ta kontakt med den ansvarlige for å få
1096 avklart om kameraet er satt opp i tråd med tilsynets regelverk. Dersom
1097 du mener at kameraet ikke er lovlig ut fra informasjonen ovenfor, kan
1098 kameraet anmeldes til politiet.
</p
>
1100 <p
>Med vennlig hilsen
</p
>
1102 <p
>Maria Bakke
1103 <br
>Juridisk veiledningstjeneste
1104 <br
>Datatilsynet
</p
>
1105 </blockquote
></p
>
1107 <p
>Personlig synes jeg det bør være krav om å registrere hvert eneste
1108 overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom hos Datatilsynet, med
1109 kartreferanse og begrunnelse om hvorfor det er satt opp, slik at
1110 enhver borger enkelt kan hente ut kart over områder vi er interessert
1111 i og sjekke om det er overvåkningskamera der som er satt opp uten å
1112 være registert. Slike registreringer skal jo i dag fornyes
1113 regelmessing, noe jeg mistenker ikke blir gjort. Dermed kan kamera
1114 som en gang var korrekt registrert nå være ulovlig satt opp. Det
1115 burde også være bøter for å ha kamera som ikke er korrekt registrert,
1116 slik at en ikke kan ignorere registrering uten at det får
1117 konsekvenser.
</p
>
1119 <p
>En ide fra England som jeg har sans (lite annet jeg har sans for
1120 når det gjelder overvåkningskamera i England) for er at enhver borger
1121 kan be om å få kopi av det som er tatt opp med et overvåkningskamera i
1122 det offentlige rom, noe som gjør at det kan komme løpende utgifter ved
1123 å sette overvåkningskamera. Jeg tror alt som gjør det mindre
1124 attraktivt å ha overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom er en god
1125 ting, så et slikt lovverk i Norge tror jeg hadde vært nyttig.
</p
>
1130 <title>Making room on the Debian Edu/Sqeeze DVD
</title>
1131 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Making_room_on_the_Debian_Edu_Sqeeze_DVD.html
</link>
1132 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Making_room_on_the_Debian_Edu_Sqeeze_DVD.html
</guid>
1133 <pubDate>Sun,
7 Nov
2010 11:
45:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
1134 <description><p
>Prioritising packages for the Debian Edu /
1135 <a href=
"http://www.skolelinux.org/
">Skolelinux
</a
> DVD, which is
1136 supposed provide a school with all the services and user applications
1137 needed on the pupils computer network has always been hard. Even
1138 schools without Internet connections should be able to get Debian Edu
1139 working using this DVD.
</p
>
1141 <p
>The job became a lot harder when apt and aptitude started
1142 installing recommended packages by default. We want the same set of
1143 packages to be installed when using the DVD and the netinst CD, and
1144 that means all recommended packages need to be on the DVD. I created
1145 a patch for debian-cd in
<a href=
"http://bugs.debian.org/
601203">BTS
1146 report #
601203</a
> to do this, and since this change was applied to
1147 the Debian Edu DVD build, we have been seriously short on space.
</p
>
1149 <p
>A few days ago we decided to drop blender, wxmaxima and kicad from
1150 the default installation to save space on the DVD, believing that
1151 those needing these applications are few and can get them from the
1152 Debian archive.
</p
>
1154 <p
>Yesterday, I had a look what source packages to see which packages
1155 were using most space. A few large packages are well know;
1156 openoffice.org, openclipart and fluid-soundfont. But I also
1157 discovered that lilypond used
106 MiB and fglrx-driver used
53 MiB.
1158 The lilypond package is pulled in as a dependency for rosegarden, and
1159 when looking a bit closer I discovered that
99 MiB of the
106 MiB were
1160 the documentation package, which is recommended by the binary package.
1161 I decided to drop this documentation package from our DVD, as most of
1162 our users will use the GUI front-ends and do not need the lilypond
1163 documentation. Similarly, I dropped the non-free fglrx-driver package
1164 which might be installed by d-i when its hardware is detected, as the
1165 free X driver should work.
</p
>
1167 <p
>With this change, we finally got space for the LXDE and Gnome
1168 desktop packages as well as the language specific packages making the
1169 DVD more useful again.
</p
>
1174 <title>Norgeskartet på mange vis - via OpenStreetmap.org
</title>
1175 <link>http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Norgeskartet_p__mange_vis___via_OpenStreetmap_org.html
</link>
1176 <guid isPermaLink=
"true">http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/Norgeskartet_p__mange_vis___via_OpenStreetmap_org.html
</guid>
1177 <pubDate>Mon,
1 Nov
2010 11:
15:
00 +
0100</pubDate>
1178 <description><p
>Har oppdaget at mange ikke er klar over at OpenStreetmap.org er
1179 tilgjengelig i en rekke forskjellige formater. Her er en liste med
1180 eksporter jeg kjenner til for Norge, for de som trenger et
1181 fribrukskart til sine tjenester:
</p
>
1185 <li
>Cloudmade tilbyr OSM XML, Garmin Map Files, Osmosis country
1186 bounding polygon, Shapefile, Navit maps, GPX POI, TomTom POI og OSM
1187 XML feature extracts via
1188 <a href=
"http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe/norway
">sine
1189 nedlastingssider
</a
>.
</li
>
1191 <li
>Geofabric tilbyr
1192 <a href=
"http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.osm.bz2
">OSM
1194 <a href=
"http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.osm.pbf
">OSM
1195 protobuf binærformat
</a
> og
1196 <a href=
"http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.shp.zip
">ESRI
1197 Shapefile (EPSG:
4326)
</a
> fra sine nedlastingssider.
</li
>
1199 <li
>Frikart.no tilbyr
1200 <a href=
"http://www.frikart.no/garmin/
">Garmin-kart
</a
> i uike
1201 varianter for veibruk og turbruk sommer og vinter.
</li
>
1203 </ul
></p
>
1205 <p
>Kartene oppdateres regelmessig, som oftest hver uke. Det skulle
1206 dermed være noe for enhver smak.
</p
>
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