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23 <div class=
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24 <div class=
"date">30th October
2009</div>
25 <div class=
"body"><p>Min hovedbankforbindelse,
26 <a href=
"http://www.postbanken.no/">Postbanken
</a>, har fra
1. oktober
27 blokkert tilgangen min til nettbanken hvis jeg ikke godtar vilkårene
28 for
<a href=
"https://www.bankid.no/">BankID
</a> og går over til å
29 bruke BankID for tilgangskontroll. Tidligere kunne jeg bruke en
30 kodekalkulator som ga tilgang til nettbanken, men nå er dette ikke
31 lenger mulig. Jeg blokkeres ute fra nettbanken og mine egne penger
32 hvis jeg ikke godtar det jeg anser som urimelige vilkår i
35 <p>BankID er en løsning der banken gis rett til å handle på vegne av
36 meg, med avtalemessig forutsetning at jeg i hvert enkelt tilfelle har
37 bedt banken gjøre dette. BankID kan brukes til å signere avtaler,
38 oppta lån og andre handlinger som har alvorlige følger for meg.
39 Problemet slik jeg ser det er at BankID er lagt opp slik at banken har
40 all informasjon og tilgang som den trenger for å bruke BankID, også
41 uten at jeg er involvert. Avtalemessing og juridisk skal de kun bruke
42 min BankID når jeg har oppgitt pinkode og passord, men praktisk og
43 konkret kan de gjøre dette også uten at min pinkode eller mitt passord
44 er oppgitt, da de allerede har min pinkode og passord tilgjengelig hos
45 seg for å kunne sjekke at riktig pinkode og passord er oppgitt av meg
46 (eller kan skaffe seg det ved behov). Jeg ønsker ikke å gi banken
47 rett til å inngå avtaler på vegne av meg.
</p>
49 <p>Rent teknisk er BankID et offentlig nøkkelpar, en privat og en
50 offentlig nøkkel, der den private nøkkelen er nødvendig for å
51 "signere" på vegne av den nøkkelen gjelder for, og den offentlige
52 nøkkelen er nødvendig for å sjekke hvem som har signert. Banken
53 sitter på både den private og den offentlige nøkkelen, og sier de kun
54 skal bruke den private hvis kunden ber dem om det og oppgir pinkode og
59 <a href=
"https://www.postbanken.no//portalfront/nedlast/no/person/avtaler/BankID_avtale.pdf">vilkår
60 for BankID
</a> står følgende:
</p>
63 <p>"6. Anvendelsesområdet for BankID</p>
65 <p>PersonBankID kan benyttes fra en datamaskin, eller etter nærmere
66 avtale fra en mobiltelefon/SIM-kort, for pålogging i nettbank og til
67 identifisering og signering i forbindelse med elektronisk
68 meldingsforsendelse, avtaleinngåelse og annen form for nettbasert
69 elektronisk kommunikasjon med Banken og andre brukersteder som har
70 tilrettelagt for bruk av BankID. Dette forutsetter at brukerstedet
71 har inngått avtale med bank om bruk av BankID."</p>
74 <p>Det er spesielt retten til "avtaleinngåelse" jeg synes er urimelig
75 å kreve for at jeg skal få tilgang til mine penger via nettbanken, men
76 også retten til å kommunisere på vegne av meg med andre brukersteder og
77 signering av meldinger synes jeg er problematisk. Jeg må godta at
78 banken skal kunne signere for meg på avtaler og annen kommunikasjon
81 <p>På spørsmål om hvordan jeg kan få tilgang til nettbank uten å gi
82 banken rett til å inngå avtaler på vegne av meg svarer Postbankens
83 kundestøtte at "Postbanken har valgt BankID for bl.a. pålogging i
84 nettbank , så her må du nok ha hele denne løsningen". Jeg nektes
85 altså tilgang til nettbanken inntil jeg godtar at Postbanken kan
86 signere avtaler på vegne av meg.
</p>
88 <p>Postbankens kundestøtte sier videre at "Det har blitt et krav til
89 alle norske banker om å innføre BankID, bl.a på grunn av
90 sikkerhet", uten at jeg her helt sikker på hvem som har framsatt
91 dette kravet. [Oppdatering: Postbankens kundestøtte sier kravet er
92 fastsatt av
<a href=
"http://www.kredittilsynet.no/">kreditttilsynet
</a>
93 og
<a href=
"http://www.bbs.no/">BBS
</a>.] Det som er situasjonen er
94 dog at det er svært få banker igjen som ikke bruker BankID, og jeg
95 vet ikke hvilken bank som er et godt alternativ for meg som ikke vil
96 gi banken rett til å signere avtaler på mine vegne.
</p>
98 <p>Jeg ønsker mulighet til å reservere meg mot at min BankID brukes
99 til annet enn å identifisere meg overfor nettbanken før jeg vil ta i
100 bruk BankID. Ved nettbankbruk er det begrenset hvor store skader som
101 kan oppstå ved misbruk, mens avtaleinngåelse ikke har tilsvarende
104 <p>Jeg har klaget vilkårene inn for
<a
105 href=
"http://www.forbrukerombudet.no/">forbrukerombudet
</a>, men
106 regner ikke med at de vil kunne bidra til en rask løsning som gir meg
107 nettbankkontroll over egne midler. :(
109 <p>Oppdatering
2012-
09-
13: Aftenposten melder i dag at det er
110 <a href=
"http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Tyver-kan-tappe-kontoen-din---selv-uten-passord-og-pinkode--6989793.html">sikkerhetsproblem
111 med BankID
</a> som gjør at ens bankkonto kan tappes helt uten at en
112 har delt passord og pinkode med noen. Dette illustrerer veldig bra
113 mitt poeng om at banken kan operere på kontoen (og signere avtaler
114 etc) helt uten at jeg er involvert. Jeg takker derfor fortsatt nei
115 til BankID-modellen.
</p>
117 <p>Oppdatering
2015-
11-
17: Fant en
118 <a href=
"http://1and1are2.blogspot.no/2014/05/bankid-elektronisk-sppel.html">bloggpost
119 fra Britt Lysaa som belyser hvilke inngrep i privatsfæren bruken av
120 BankID utgjør
</a>, i tillegg til de sikkerhetsmessige vurderingene
121 omtalt over. Anbefalt lesning.
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124 <div class=
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23)
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