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23 <div class=
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24 <div class=
"date"> 2nd June
2012</div>
25 <div class=
"body"><p>Back in
2010, Mike Gabriel showed up on the
26 <a href=
"http://www.skolelinux.org/">Debian Edu and Skolelinux
</a>
27 mailing list. He quickly proved to be a valuable developer, and
28 thanks to his tireless effort we now have Kerberos integrated into the
29 <a href=
"http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120311.html">Debian Edu
30 Squeeze
</a> version.
</p>
32 <p><strong>Who are you, and how do you spend your days?
</strong></p>
34 <p>My name is Mike Gabriel, I am
38 years old and live near Kiel,
35 Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. I live together with a wonderful partner
36 (Angela Fuß) and two own children and two bonus children (contributed
39 <p>During the day I am part-time employed as a system administrator
40 and part-time working as an IT consultant. The consultancy work
41 touches free software topics wherever and whenever possible. During
42 the nights I am a free software developer. In the gaps I also train in
43 becoming an osteopath.
</p>
45 <p>Starting in
2010 we (Andreas Buchholz, Angela Fuß, Mike Gabriel)
46 have set up a free software project in the area of Kiel that aims at
47 introducing free software into schools. The project's name is
48 "IT-Zukunft Schule" (IT future for schools). The project links IT
49 skills with communication skills.
</p>
51 <p><strong>How did you get in contact with the Skolelinux/Debian Edu
54 <p>While preparing our own customised Linux distribution for
55 "IT-Zukunft Schule" we were repeatedly asked if we really wanted to
56 reinvent the wheel. What schools really need is already available,
57 people said. From this impulse we started evaluating other Linux
58 distributions that target being used for school networks.
</p>
60 <p>At the end we short-listed two approaches and compared them: a
61 commercial Linux distribution developed by a company in Bremen,
62 Germany, and Skolelinux / Debian Edu. Between
12/
2010 and
03/
2011 we
63 went to several events and met people being responsible for marketing
64 and development of either of the distributions. Skolelinux / Debian
65 Edu was by far much more convincing compared to the other product that
66 got short-listed beforehand--across the full spectrum. What was most
67 attractive for me personally: the perspective of collaboration within
68 the developmental branch of the Debian Edu project itself.
</p>
70 <p>In parallel with this, we talked to many local and not-so-local
71 people. People teaching at schools, headmasters, politicians, data
72 protection experts, other IT professionals.
</p>
74 <p>We came to two conclusions:
</p>
76 <p>First, a technical conclusion: What schools need is available in
77 bits and pieces here and there, and none of the solutions really fit
78 by
100%. Any school we have seen has a very individual IT setup
79 whereas most of each school's requirements could mapped by a standard
80 IT solution. The requirement to this IT solution is flexibility and
81 customisability, so that individual adaptations here and there are
82 possible. In terms of re-distributing and rolling out such a
83 standardised IT system for schools (a system that is still to some
84 degree customisable) there is still a lot of work to do here
85 locally. Debian Edu / Skolelinux has been our choice as the starting
88 <p>Second, a holistic conclusion: What schools need does not exist at
89 all (or we missed it so far). There are several technical solutions
90 for handling IT at schools that tend to make a good impression. What
91 has been missing completely here in Germany, though, is the enrolment
92 of people into using IT and teaching with IT. "IT-Zukunft Schule"
93 tries to provide an approach for this.
</p>
95 <p>Only some schools have some sort of a media concept which explains,
96 defines and gives guidance on how to use IT in class. Most schools in
97 Northern Germany do not have an IT service provider, the school's IT
98 equipment is managed by one or (if the school is lucky) two (admin)
99 teachers, most of the workload these admin teachers get done in there
102 <p>We were surprised that only a very few admin teachers were
103 networked with colleagues from other schools. Basically, every school
104 here around has its individual approach of providing IT equipment to
105 teachers and students and the exchange of ideas has been quasi
106 non-existent until
2010/
2011.
</p>
108 <p>Quite some (non-admin) teachers try to avoid using IT technology in
109 class as a learning medium completely. Several reasons for this
110 avoidance do exist.
</p>
112 <p>We discovered that no-one has ever taken a closer look at this
113 social part of IT management in schools, so far. On our quest journey
114 for a technical IT solution for schools, we discussed this issue with
115 several teachers, headmasters, politicians, other IT professionals and
116 they all confirmed: a holistic approach of considering IT management
117 at schools, an approach that includes the people in place, will be new
118 and probably a gain for all.
</p>
120 <p><strong>What do you see as the advantages of Skolelinux/Debian
123 <p>There is a list of advantages: international context, openness to
124 any kind of contributions, do-ocracy policy, the closeness to Debian,
125 the different installation scenarios possible (from stand-alone
126 workstation to complex multi-server sites), the transparency within
127 project communication, honest communication within the group of
130 <p><strong>What do you see as the disadvantages of Skolelinux/Debian
133 <p>Every coin has two sides:
</p>
135 <p>Technically:
<a href=
"http://bugs.debian.org/311188">BTS issue
136 #
311188</a>, tricky upgradability of a Debian Edu main server, network
137 client installations on top of a plain vanilla Debian installation
138 should become possible sometime in the near future, one could think
139 about splitting the very complex package debian-edu-config into
140 several portions (to make it easier for new developers to
143 <p>Another issue I see is that we (as Debian Edu developers) should
144 find out more about the network of people who do the marketing for
145 Debian Edu / Skolelinux. There is a very active group in Germany
146 promoting Skolelinux on the bigger Linux Days within Germany. Are
147 there other groups like that in other countries? How can we bring
148 these marketing people together (marketing group A with group B and
149 all of them with the group of Debian Edu developers)? During the last
150 meeting of the German Skolelinux group, I got the impression of people
151 there being rather disconnected from the development department of
152 Debian Edu / Skolelinux.
</p>
154 <p><strong>Which free software do you use daily?
</strong></p>
156 <p>For my daily business, I do not use commercial software at all.
</p>
158 <p>For normal stuff I use Iceweasel/Firefox, Libreoffice.org. For
159 serious text writing I prefer LaTeX. I use gimp, inkscape, scribus for
160 more artistic tasks. I run virtual machines in KVM and Virtualbox.
</p>
162 <p>I am one of the upstream developers of X2Go. In
2010 I started the
163 development of a Python based X2Go Client, called PyHoca-GUI.
164 PyHoca-GUI has brought forth a Python X2Go Client API that currently
165 is being integrated in Ubuntu's software center.
</p>
167 <p>For communications I have my own Kolab server running using Horde
168 as web-based groupware client. For IRC I love to use irssi, for Jabber
169 I have several clients that I use, mostly pidgin, though. I am also
170 the Debian maintainer of Coccinella, a Jabber-based interactive
173 <p>My favourite terminal emulator is KDE's Yakuake.
</p>
175 <p><strong>Which strategy do you believe is the right one to use to
176 get schools to use free software?
</strong></p>
178 <p>Communicate, communicate, communicate. Enrol people, enrol people,
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664 <li><a href=
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666 <li><a href=
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668 <li><a href=
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670 <li><a href=
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11)
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672 <li><a href=
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18)
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33)
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676 <li><a href=
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14)
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684 <li><a href=
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686 <li><a href=
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688 <li><a href=
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20)
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690 <li><a href=
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20)
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692 <li><a href=
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694 <li><a href=
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21)
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696 <li><a href=
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23)
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698 <li><a href=
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6)
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700 <li><a href=
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702 <li><a href=
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5)
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704 <li><a href=
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8)
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706 <li><a href=
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8)
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708 <li><a href=
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3)
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710 <li><a href=
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1)
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712 <li><a href=
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3)
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714 <li><a href=
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8)
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716 <li><a href=
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48)
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718 <li><a href=
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15)
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720 <li><a href=
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27)
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722 <li><a href=
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326)
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724 <li><a href=
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200)
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726 <li><a href=
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42)
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728 <li><a href=
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2)
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730 <li><a href=
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4)
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732 <li><a href=
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76)
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734 <li><a href=
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114)
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736 <li><a href=
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4)
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738 <li><a href=
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1)
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740 <li><a href=
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11)
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742 <li><a href=
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3)
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744 <li><a href=
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17)
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746 <li><a href=
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1)
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748 <li><a href=
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7)
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750 <li><a href=
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2)
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752 <li><a href=
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60)
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754 <li><a href=
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4)
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756 <li><a href=
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758 <li><a href=
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80)
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760 <li><a href=
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762 <li><a href=
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14)
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764 <li><a href=
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65)
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766 <li><a href=
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6)
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768 <li><a href=
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2)
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770 <li><a href=
"http://www.hungry.com/~pere/blog/tags/valg">valg (
9)
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772 <li><a href=
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23)
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774 <li><a href=
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82)
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776 <li><a href=
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4)
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778 <li><a href=
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42)
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