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15 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/">Petter Reinholdtsen</a>
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23 <div class="title">How to talk with your loved ones in private</div>
24 <div class="date"> 7th November 2016</div>
25 <div class="body"><p>A few days ago I ran a very biased and informal survey to get an
26 idea about what options are being used to communicate with end to end
27 encryption with friends and family. I explicitly asked people not to
28 list options only used in a work setting. The background is the
29 uneasy feeling I get when using Signal, a feeling shared by others as
30 a blog post from Sander Venima about
31 <a href="https://sandervenema.ch/2016/11/why-i-wont-recommend-signal-anymore/">why
32 he do not recommend Signal anymore</a> (with
33 <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12883410">feedback from
34 the Signal author available from ycombinator</a>). I wanted an
35 overview of the options being used, and hope to include those options
36 in a less biased survey later on. So far I have not taken the time to
37 look into the individual proposed systems. They range from text
38 sharing web pages, via file sharing and email to instant messaging,
39 VOIP and video conferencing. For those considering which system to
40 use, it is also useful to have a look at
41 <a href="https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard">the EFF Secure
42 messaging scorecard</a> which is slightly out of date but still
43 provide valuable information.</p>
44
45 <p>So, on to the list. There were some used by many, some used by a
46 few, some rarely used ones and a few mentioned but without anyone
47 claiming to use them. Notice the grouping is in reality quite random
48 given the biased self selected set of participants. First the ones
49 used by many:</p>
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51 <ul>
52
53 <li><a href="https://whispersystems.org/">Signal</a></li>
54 <li>Email w/<a href="http://openpgp.org/">OpenPGP</a> (Enigmail, GPGSuite,etc)</li>
55 <li><a href="https://www.whatsapp.com/">Whatsapp</a></li>
56 <li>IRC w/<a href="https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/">OTR</a></li>
57 <li>XMPP w/<a href="https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/">OTR</a></li>
58
59 </ul>
60
61 <p>Then the ones used by a few.</p>
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63 <ul>
64
65 <li><a href="https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Main_Page">Mumble</a></li>
66 <li>iMessage (included in iOS from Apple)</li>
67 <li><a href="https://telegram.org/">Telegram</a></li>
68 <li><a href="https://jitsi.org/">Jitsi</a></li>
69 <li><a href="https://keybase.io/download">Keybase file</a></li>
70
71 </ul>
72
73 <p>Then the ones used by even fewer people</p>
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75 <ul>
76
77 <li><a href="https://ring.cx/">Ring</a></li>
78 <li><a href="https://bitmessage.org/">Bitmessage</a></li>
79 <li><a href="https://wire.com/">Wire</a></li>
80 <li>VoIP w/<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP">ZRTP</a> or controlled <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Real-time_Transport_Protocol">SRTP</a> (e.g using <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSipSimple">CSipSimple</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linphone">Linphone</a>)</li>
81 <li><a href="https://matrix.org/">Matrix</a></li>
82 <li><a href="https://kontalk.org/">Kontalk</a></li>
83 <li><a href="https://0bin.net/">0bin</a> (encrypted pastebin)</li>
84 <li><a href="https://appear.in">Appear.in</a></li>
85 <li><a href="https://riot.im/">riot</a></li>
86 <li><a href="https://www.wickr.com/">Wickr Me</a></li>
87
88 </ul>
89
90 <p>And finally the ones mentioned by not marked as used by
91 anyone. This might be a mistake, perhaps the person adding the entry
92 forgot to flag it as used?</p>
93
94 <ul>
95
96 <li>Email w/Certificates <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/MIME">S/MIME</a></li>
97 <li><a href="https://www.crypho.com/">Crypho</a></li>
98 <li><a href="https://cryptpad.fr/">CryptPad</a></li>
99 <li><a href="https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet">ricochet</a></li>
100
101 </ul>
102
103 <p>Given the network effect it seem obvious to me that we as a society
104 have been divided and conquered by those interested in keeping
105 encrypted and secure communication away from the masses. The
106 finishing remarks <a href="https://vimeo.com/97505679">from Aral Balkan
107 in his talk "Free is a lie"</a> about the usability of free software
108 really come into effect when you want to communicate in private with
109 your friends and family. We can not expect them to allow the
110 usability of communication tool to block their ability to talk to
111 their loved ones.</p>
112
113 <p>Note for example the option IRC w/OTR. Most IRC clients do not
114 have OTR support, so in most cases OTR would not be an option, even if
115 you wanted to. In my personal experience, about 1 in 20 I talk to
116 have a IRC client with OTR. For private communication to really be
117 available, most people to talk to must have the option in their
118 currently used client. I can not simply ask my family to install an
119 IRC client. I need to guide them through a technical multi-step
120 process of adding extensions to the client to get them going. This is
121 a non-starter for most.</p>
122
123 <p>I would like to be able to do video phone calls, audio phone calls,
124 exchange instant messages and share files with my loved ones, without
125 being forced to share with people I do not know. I do not want to
126 share the content of the conversations, and I do not want to share who
127 I communicate with or the fact that I communicate with someone.
128 Without all these factors in place, my private life is being more or
129 less invaded.</p>
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131
132 <div class="tags">Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/surveillance">surveillance</a>.</div>
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