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  15      <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/">Petter Reinholdtsen</a>
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  23       <div class="title">Some thoughts on BitCoins</div>
  24       <div class="date">11th December 2010</div>
  25       <div class="body"><p>As I continue to explore
  26 <a href="http://www.bitcoin.org/">BitCoin</a>, I've starting to wonder
  27 what properties the system have, and how it will be affected by laws
  28 and regulations here in Norway.  Here are some random notes.</p>
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  30 <p>One interesting thing to note is that since the transactions are
  31 verified using a peer to peer network, all details about a transaction
  32 is known to everyone.  This means that if a BitCoin address has been
  33 published like I did with mine in my initial post about BitCoin, it is
  34 possible for everyone to see how many BitCoins have been transfered to
  35 that address.  There is even a web service to look at the details for
  36 all transactions.  There I can see that my address
  37 <a href="http://blockexplorer.com/address/15oWEoG9dUPovwmUL9KWAnYRtNJEkP1u1b">15oWEoG9dUPovwmUL9KWAnYRtNJEkP1u1b</a>
  38 have received 16.06 Bitcoin, the
  39 <a href="http://blockexplorer.com/address/1LfdGnGuWkpSJgbQySxxCWhv8MHqvwst3">1LfdGnGuWkpSJgbQySxxCWhv8MHqvwst3</a>
  40 address of Simon Phipps have received 181.97 BitCoin and the address
  41 <a href="http://blockexplorer.com/address/1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt">1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt</A>
  42 of EFF have received 2447.38 BitCoins so far.  Thank you to each and
  43 every one of you that donated bitcoins to support my activity. The
  44 fact that anyone can see how much money was transfered to a given
  45 address make it more obvious why the BitCoin community recommend to
  46 generate and hand out a new address for each transaction.  I'm told
  47 there is no way to track which addresses belong to a given person or
  48 organisation without the person or organisation revealing it
  49 themselves, as Simon, EFF and I have done.</p>
  50
  51 <p>In Norway, and in most other countries, there are laws and
  52 regulations limiting how much money one can transfer across the border
  53 without declaring it.  There are money laundering, tax and accounting
  54 laws and regulations I would expect to apply to the use of BitCoin.
  55 If the Skolelinux foundation
  56 (<a href="http://linuxiskolen.no/slxdebianlabs/donations.html">SLX
  57 Debian Labs</a>) were to accept donations in BitCoin in addition to
  58 normal bank transfers like EFF is doing, how should this be accounted?
  59 Given that it is impossible to know if money can cross the border or
  60 not, should everything or nothing be declared?  What exchange rate
  61 should be used when calculating taxes?  Would receivers have to pay
  62 income tax if the foundation were to pay Skolelinux contributors in
  63 BitCoin?  I have no idea, but it would be interesting to know.</p>
  64
  65 <p>For a currency to be useful and successful, it must be trusted and
  66 accepted by a lot of users.  It must be possible to get easy access to
  67 the currency (as a wage or using currency exchanges), and it must be
  68 easy to spend it.  At the moment BitCoin seem fairly easy to get
  69 access to, but there are very few places to spend it.  I am not really
  70 a regular user of any of the vendor types currently accepting BitCoin,
  71 so I wonder when my kind of shop would start accepting BitCoins.  I
  72 would like to buy electronics, travels and subway tickets, not herbs
  73 and books. :) The currency is young, and this will improve over time
  74 if it become popular, but I suspect regular banks will start to lobby
  75 to get BitCoin declared illegal if it become popular.  I'm sure they
  76 will claim it is helping fund terrorism and money laundering (which
  77 probably would be true, as is any currency in existence), but I
  78 believe the problems should be solved elsewhere and not by blaming
  79 currencies.</p>
  80
  81 <p>The process of creating new BitCoins is called mining, and it is
  82 CPU intensive process that depend on a bit of luck as well (as one is
  83 competing against all the other miners currently spending CPU cycles
  84 to see which one get the next lump of cash).  The "winner" get 50
  85 BitCoin when this happen.  Yesterday I came across the obvious way to
  86 join forces to increase ones changes of getting at least some coins,
  87 by coordinating the work on mining BitCoins across several machines
  88 and people, and sharing the result if one is lucky and get the 50
  89 BitCoins.  Check out
  90 <a href="http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/">BitCoin Pool</a>
  91 if this sounds interesting.  I have not had time to try to set up a
  92 machine to participate there yet, but have seen that running on ones
  93 own for a few days have not yield any BitCoins througth mining
  94 yet.</p>
  95
  96 <p>Update 2010-12-15: Found an <a
  97 href="http://inertia.posterous.com/reply-to-the-underground-economist-why-bitcoi">interesting
  98 criticism</a> of bitcoin.  Not quite sure how valid it is, but thought
  99 it was interesting to read.  The arguments presented seem to be
 100 equally valid for gold, which was used as a currency for many years.</p>
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 452  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/ruter">ruter (5)</a></li>
 453
 454  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/scraperwiki">scraperwiki (2)</a></li>
 455
 456  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet (52)</a></li>
 457
 458  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sitesummary">sitesummary (4)</a></li>
 459
 460  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/skepsis">skepsis (5)</a></li>
 461
 462  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/standard">standard (49)</a></li>
 463
 464  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/stavekontroll">stavekontroll (5)</a></li>
 465
 466  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/stortinget">stortinget (10)</a></li>
 467
 468  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/surveillance">surveillance (44)</a></li>
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 470  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sysadmin">sysadmin (2)</a></li>
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 472  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/usenix">usenix (2)</a></li>
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 474  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/valg">valg (8)</a></li>
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 480  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/web">web (38)</a></li>
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