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  14      <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/">Petter Reinholdtsen</a>
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  23       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Gladoppslag_om_Skolelinux_i_avisen_Fremover.html">Gladoppslag om Skolelinux i avisen Fremover</a></div>
  24       <div class="date">15th August 2012</div>
  25       <div class="body"><p>I sommer hadde avisen <a href="http://www.fremover.no/">Fremover</a>
  26 et flott oppslag om bruken av
  27 <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Skolelinux</a> på alle skolene
  28 der.  Artikkelen var på trykk på side 4 og 5 i papirutgaven
  29 2012-07-23, men mangler dessverre i nettutgaven av avisen.  Mine
  30 henvendelser til avisen for å få artikkelen på nett har så langt ikke
  31 vært vellykket.</p>
  32
  33 <p>Artikkelen med tittelen "Narvik kommune bruker gratisprogram i
  34 skolen - Har spart millioner", forteller om hvordan bruken av
  35 Skolelinux er en stor suksess i Narvik siden det ble tatt i bruk i
  36 2004.  Her er noen fine sitater:</p>
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  38 <blockquote>
  39 "- Skolelinux har spart kommunen for store pengesummer, millionbeløp,
  40   som de heller kan bruke på andre ting, sier IKT-konsulent Viggo
  41   Fedreheim."
  42 </blockquote>
  43
  44 <p>Avisen forteller at de har fått tilgang til beregninger som viser
  45 at Narvik kommune har spart noe mellom 10 og 20 millioner kroner de
  46 siste 8 årene på å bruke Skolelinux, og fortsetter:</p>
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  48 <blockquote>
  49
  50 "Regnestykket tar høyde for sparte kostnader til lisenser som medfølger
  51 de alternative operativsystemene, lavere driftskostnader og lengre
  52 levetid på datautstyret.  Totalt har Narvikskolen en maskinpark på
  53 1600 maskiner fordelt på de 11 skolene fra Skjomen i sør til Bjerkvik
  54 i nord."
  55
  56 </blockquote>
  57
  58 <p>Viggo Fedreheim sier dette om hvor noe av gevinsten kommer fra:</p>
  59
  60 <blockquote>
  61 "- Vi kan gjenbruke gamle maskiner i skolen som er for dårlig andre
  62   steder i kommunen der de ikke bruker Skolelinux.  Levetiden på en
  63   datamaskin blir 3-5 år lenger med Skolelinux.  Vi kaller det for
  64   grønn IT, miljøvennlig IT."
  65 </blockquote>
  66
  67 <p>Her er det mulighet for flere kommuner å få et godt IT-system på
  68 skolene, hvis de er villige til å forsøke.  De som ikke har kompetanse
  69 innomhus kan kjøpe det fra en av de kommersielle leverandørene av
  70 Skolelinux-tjenester, som <a href="http://www.slxdrift.no/">Skolelinux
  71 Drift AS</a> (der jeg er styremedlem).  Komplett liste er tilgjengelig
  72 via
  73 <a href="http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Help/ProfessionalHelp">wikien</a>.</p>
  74
  75 <p>Update 2012-08-16: Today I was allowed by Fremover to put the PDF I
  76 received from them with a copy of the article on the Internet.  It is
  77 <a href="http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux/press/2012-07-23-fremover-narvik.pdf">now
  78 available</a> in the <Skolelinux press archive.</p>
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  83         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>.
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  91       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Notes_on_language_codes_for_Norwegian_docbook_processing___.html">Notes on language codes for Norwegian docbook processing...</a></div>
  92       <div class="date">10th August 2012</div>
  93       <div class="body"><p>In <a href="http://www.docbook.org/">docbook</a> one can specify
  94 the language used at the top, and the processing pipeline will use
  95 this information to pick the correct translations for 'chapter', 'see
  96 also', 'index' etc.  And for most languages used with docbook, I guess
  97 this work just fine.  For example a German user can start the document
  98 with &lt;book lang="de"&gt;, and the document will show up with the
  99 correct content with any of the docbook processors.  This is not the
 100 case for the language
 101 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Free_Culture_in_Norwegian___5_chapters_done__74_percent_left_to_do.html">I
 102 am working with at the moment</a>, Norwegian Bokmål.</p>
 103
 104 <p>For a while, I was confused about which language code to use,
 105 because I was unable to find any language code that would work across
 106 all tools.  I am currently testing dblatex, xmlto, docbook-xsl, and
 107 dbtoepub, and they do not handle Norwegian Bokmål the same way.  Some
 108 of them do not handle it at all.</p>
 109
 110 <p>A bit of background information is probably needed to understand
 111 this mess.  Norwegian is not one, but two written variants.  The
 112 variants are Norwegian Nynorsk and Norwegian Bokmål.  There are three
 113 two letter language codes associated with these languages, Norwegian
 114 is 'no', Norwegian Nynorsk is 'nn' and Norwegian Bokmål is 'nb'.
 115 Historically the 'no' language code was used for Norwegian Bokmål, but
 116 many years ago this was found to be å bad idea, and the recommendation
 117 is to use the most specific language code instead, to avoid confusion.
 118 In the transition period it is a good idea to make sure 'no' was an
 119 alias for 'nb'.</p>
 120
 121 <p>Back to docbook processing tools in Debian.  The dblatex tool only
 122 understand 'nn'.  There are translations for 'no', but not 'nb' (BTS
 123 <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/684391">#684391</a>), but due to a bug
 124 (BTS <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/682936">#682936</a>) the 'no'
 125 language code is not recognised.  The docbook-xsl tool chain only
 126 recognise 'nn' and 'nb', but not 'no'.  The xmlto tool only recognise
 127 'nn' and 'nb', but not 'no'.  The end result that there is no language
 128 code I can use to get the docbook file working with all of these tools
 129 at the same time. :(</p>
 130
 131 <p>The correct solution is to use &lt;book lang="nb"&gt;, but it will
 132 take time before that will work with all the free software docbook
 133 processors. :(</p>
 134
 135 <p>Oh, the joy of well integrated tools. :/</p>
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 138
 139
 140         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
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 148       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Best_way_to_create_a_docbook_book_.html">Best way to create a docbook book?</a></div>
 149       <div class="date">31st July 2012</div>
 150       <div class="body"><p>I tried to send this text to the
 151 <a href="https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-apps/">docbook-apps
 152 mailing list at lists.oasis-open.org</a>, but it only accept messages
 153 from subscribers and rejected my post, and I completely lack the
 154 bandwidth required to subscribe to another mailing list, so instead I
 155 try to post my message here and hope my blog readers can help me
 156 out.</p>
 157
 158 <p>I am quite new to docbook processing, and am climbing a steep
 159 learning curve at the moment.</p>
 160
 161 <p>To give you some background, I am working on a Norwegian
 162 translation of the book Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig, and I use
 163 docbook to handle the process.  The files to build the book are
 164 available from
 165 <a href="https://github.com/petterreinholdtsen/free-culture-lessig">github</a>.
 166 The book got around 400 pages with parts, images, footnotes, tables,
 167 index entries etc, which has proven to be a challenge for the free
 168 software docbook processors.  My build platform is Debian GNU/Linux
 169 Squeeze.</p>
 170
 171 <p>I want to build PDF, EPUB and HTML version of the book, and have
 172 tried different tool chains to do the conversion from docbook to these
 173 formats.  I am currently focusing on the PDF version, and have a few
 174 problems.</p>
 175
 176 <ul>
 177
 178 <li>Using dblatex, the &lt;part&gt; handling is not the way I want to,
 179    as &lt;/part&gt; do not really end the &lt;part&gt;. (See
 180    <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/683166">BTS report #683166</a>), the
 181    xetex backend (needed to process UTF-8) give incorrect hyphens in
 182    index references spanning several pages (See
 183    <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/682901">BTS report #682901</a>), and
 184    I am unable to get the norwegian template texts (See
 185    <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/682936">BTS report #682936</a>).</li>
 186
 187 <li>Using straight xmlto fail with some latex error (See
 188    <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/683163">BTS report
 189    #683163</a>).</li>
 190
 191 <li>Using xmlto with the fop backend fail to handle images (do not
 192    show up in the PDF), fail to handle a long footnote (overlap
 193    footnote and text body, see
 194    <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/683197">BTS report #683197</a>), and
 195    fail to create a correct index (some lack page ref, and the page
 196    refs listed are not right).</li>
 197
 198 <li>Using xmlto with the dblatex backend behave like dblatex.</li>
 199
 200 <li>Using docbook-xls with xsltproc + fop have the same footnote and
 201    index problems the xmlto + fop processing.</li>
 202
 203 </ul>
 204
 205 <p>So I wonder, what would be the best way to create the PDF version
 206 of this book?  Are some of the bugs found above solved in new or
 207 experimental versions of some docbook tool chain?</p>
 208
 209 <p>What about HTML and EPUB versions?</p>
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 211       <div class="tags">
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 213
 214         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
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 222       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/OOXML_og_standardisering.html">OOXML og standardisering</a></div>
 223       <div class="date">25th July 2012</div>
 224       <div class="body"><p>DIFI har
 225 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/DIFI_foresl_r___kaste_ut_ODF_og_ta_inn_OOXML_fra_statens_standardkatalog.html">en
 226 høring gående</a> om ny versjon av statens standardkatalog, med frist
 227 2012-09-30, der det foreslås å fjerne ODF fra katalogen og ta inn ISO
 228 OOXML.  I den anledning minnes jeg
 229 <a href="http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/FAD/Vedlegg/IKT-politikk/Refkat_v2.pdf">notatet
 230 FAD skrev</a> da versjon 2 av standardkatalogen var under
 231 utarbeidelse, da FAD og DIFI fortsatt forsto poenget med og verdien av
 232 frie og åpne standarder.</p>
 233
 234 <p>Det er mange som tror at OOXML er ett spesifikt format, men det
 235 brukes ofte som fellesbetegnelse for både formatet spesifisert av
 236 ECMA, ISO, og formatet produsert av Microsoft Office (aka docx), som
 237 dessverre ikke er det samme formatet.  Fra en av de som implementerte
 238 støtte for docx-formatet i KDE fikk jeg høre at ISO-spesifikasjonen
 239 var en nyttig referanse, men at det var mange avvik som gjorde at en
 240 ikke kunne gå ut ifra at Microsoft Office produserte dokumenter i
 241 henhold til ISO-spesifikasjonen.</p>
 242
 243 <p>ISOs OOXML-spesifikasjon har (eller hadde, usikker på om
 244 kommentaren er oppdatert) i følge
 245 <a href="http://surguy.net/articles/ooxml-validation-and-technical-review.xml">Inigo
 246 Surguy</a> feil i mer enn 10% av eksemplene, noe som i tillegg gjør
 247 det vanskelig å bruke spesifikasjonen til å implementere støtte for
 248 ISO OOXML.  Jeg har ingen erfaring med å validere OOXML-dokumenter
 249 selv, men ser at
 250 <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5124">Microsoft
 251 har laget en validator</a> som jeg ikke kan teste da den kun er
 252 tilgjengelig på MS Windows.  Finner også en annen kalt
 253 <a href="http://code.google.com/p/officeotron/">Office-O-Tron</A> som
 254 er oppdatert i fjor.  Lurer på om de validerer at dokumenter er i
 255 formatet til Microsoft office, eller om de validerer at de er i
 256 henhold til formatene spesifisert av ECMA og ISO. Det hadde også vært
 257 interessant å se om docx-dokumentene publisert av det offentlige er
 258 gyldige ISO OOXML-dokumenter.</p>
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 263         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/standard">standard</a>.
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 271       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Free_Culture_in_Norwegian___5_chapters_done__74_percent_left_to_do.html">Free Culture in Norwegian - 5 chapters done, 74 percent left to do</a></div>
 272       <div class="date">21st July 2012</div>
 273       <div class="body"><p>I reported earlier that I am working on
 274 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Dugnad_for___sende_norsk_versjon_av_Free_Culture_til_stortingets_representanter_.html">a
 275 norwegian version</a> of the book
 276 <a href="http://free-culture.cc/">Free Culture</a> by Lawrence Lessig.
 277 Progress is good, and yesterday I got a major contribution from Anders
 278 Hagen Jarmund completing chapter six.  The source files as well as a
 279 PDF and EPUB version of this book are available from
 280 <a href="https://github.com/petterreinholdtsen/free-culture-lessig">github</a>.</p>
 281
 282 <p>I am happy to report that the draft for the first two chapters
 283 (preface, introduction) is complete, and three other chapters are also
 284 completely translated.  This completes 26 percent of the number of
 285 strings (equivalent to paragraphs) in the book, and there is thus 74
 286 percent left to translate.  A graph of the progress is present at the
 287 bottom of the github project page.  There is still room for more
 288 contributors.  Get in touch or send github pull requests with fixes if
 289 you got time and are willing to help make this book make it to
 290 print. :)</p>
 291
 292 <p>The book translation framework could also be a good basis for other
 293 translations, if you want the book to be available in your
 294 language.</p>
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 299         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett</a>.
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 307       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Tips_for___bli_med_i_Skolelinux_prosjektet__som_faktisk_er_aktivt_.html">Tips for å bli med i Skolelinux-prosjektet (som faktisk er aktivt)</a></div>
 308       <div class="date">19th July 2012</div>
 309       <div class="body"><p>Jeg fikk nettopp spørsmål på epost om Skolelinux-prosjektet lever
 310 fra en som var interessert i å bidra, og måtte jo konstatere at i og
 311 med at spørsmålet ble stilt har prosjektet ikke lyktes med å formidle
 312 sin aktivitet.  Her er det jeg svarte:</p>
 313
 314 <p><blockquote>
 315 <p>Jada, <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Skolelinux-prosjektet</a>
 316 lever, men det meste av utvikling foregår nå under paraplyen
 317 <a href="http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/">Debian Edu</a> som er det
 318 internasjonale navnet på prosjektet.  Dugnaden i Norge organiseres av
 319 medlemsforeningen
 320 <a href="http://www.friprogramvareiskolen.no/">Fri programvare i
 321 Skolen</a>, og det finnes minst ett selskap som selger kommersiell
 322 support på løsningen (<a href="http://www.slxdrift.no/">Skolelinux
 323 Drift AS</a>, der jeg er styremedlem).  Anbefaler at du melder deg på
 324 epostlisten
 325 <a href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/">debian-edu@lists.debian.org</a>
 326 (og debian-edu-announce) og
 327 <a href="http://medlem.friprogramvareiskolen.no/">melder deg inn i
 328 foreningen</a> for å få beskjed om aktivitet som planlegges.  Det
 329 planlegges
 330 <a href="http://www.friprogramvareiskolen.no/Gathering">utviklersamlinger
 331 i august</a> og utover høsten.</p>
 332
 333 <p>Bidra gjerne med å spre ordet om Skolelinux.  Det er alt for få som
 334 bidrar til pressedekning, bloggposter, twittermeldinger, etc. :)</p>
 335
 336 <p>Jeg antar du har funnet
 337 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/intervju/">bloggserien
 338 min med intervjuer</a>.  Det er antagelig også interessant for deg å
 339 følge med på <a href="http://planet.skolelinux.org/">Planet
 340 Skolelinux</a>.</p>
 341
 342 <p>Hm, jeg burde vel blogge alle disse lenkene slik at de blir enklere
 343 å finne...</p>
 344 </blockquote></p>
 345 <p>Herved gjort. :)</p>
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 349
 350         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>.
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 358       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Call_for_help_from_docbook_expert_to_tag_Free_Culture_by_Lawrence_Lessig.html">Call for help from docbook expert to tag Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig</a></div>
 359       <div class="date">16th July 2012</div>
 360       <div class="body"><p>I am currently working on a
 361 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Dugnad_for___sende_norsk_versjon_av_Free_Culture_til_stortingets_representanter_.html">project
 362 to translate</a> the book
 363 <a href="http://free-culture.cc/">Free Culture</a> by Lawrence Lessig
 364 to Norwegian.  And the source we base our translation on is the
 365 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DocBook">docbook</a> version, to
 366 allow us to use po4a and .po files to handle the translation, and for
 367 this to work well the docbook source document need to be properly
 368 tagged.  The source files of this project is available from
 369 <a href="https://github.com/petterreinholdtsen/free-culture-lessig">github</a>.</p>
 370
 371 <p>The problem is that the docbook source have flaws, and we have
 372 no-one involved in the project that is a docbook expert.  Is there a
 373 docbook expert somewhere that is interested in helping us create a
 374 well tagged docbook version of the book, and adjust our build process
 375 for the PDF, EPUB and HTML version of the book?  This will provide a
 376 well tagged English version (our source document), and make it a lot
 377 easier for us to create a good Norwegian version.  If you can and want
 378 to help, please get in touch with me or fork the github project and
 379 send pull requests with fixes. :)</p>
 380 </div>
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 384         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett</a>.
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 391     <div class="entry">
 392       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Fri_programvare____fri__som_i__talefrihet___ikke_som_i__fri_bar_.html">Fri programvare - "fri" som i "talefrihet", ikke som i "fri bar"</a></div>
 393       <div class="date">15th July 2012</div>
 394       <div class="body"><p>Et ofte brukt sitat i fri programvareverden er Stallman-sitatet
 395 «<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html.en">Free Software,
 396 "free" as in "free speech", not as in "free beer"</a>».  Men det er
 397 ikke direkte overførbart til norsk, da det baserer seg på koblingen
 398 gratis/fri på engelsk.  En direkte oversettelse ville være «Fri
 399 programvare, "fri" som i "talefrihet", ikke som "gratis øl"», og det
 400 går jo glipp av poenget.  I forbindelse med at vi er
 401 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Dugnad_for___sende_norsk_versjon_av_Free_Culture_til_stortingets_representanter_.html">igang
 402 med å oversette</a> <a href="http://free-culture.cc/">Free Culture</a>
 403 av Lawrence Lessig, måtte jeg forsøke a finne en bedre
 404 oversettelse.</p>
 405
 406 <p>Mitt forslag til oversettelse blir dermed å droppe ølet, og heller
 407 fokusere på det kjente norske uttrykket "fri bar".  Dermed blir
 408 oversettelsen «Fri programvare - "fri" som i "talefrihet", ikke som i
 409 "fri bar"».</p>
 410
 411 <p>Noen som har bedre forslag?</p>
 412
 413 <p>Forøvrig bruker jeg fri programvare som et samlebegrep på norsk for
 414 begge de engelske uttrykkene Free Software og Open Source, jamfør
 415 <a href="http://www.nuug.no/dokumenter/folder-friprogramvare.pdf">NUUGs
 416 lille folder om temaet</a>.</p>
 417 </div>
 418       <div class="tags">
 419
 420
 421         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
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 429       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Dugnad_for___sende_norsk_versjon_av_Free_Culture_til_stortingets_representanter_.html">Dugnad for å sende norsk versjon av Free Culture til stortingets representanter!</a></div>
 430       <div class="date">11th July 2012</div>
 431       <div class="body"><p>Da opphavsrettsloven ble revidert i forrige runde rundt 2005, var
 432 det skummelt å se hvor lite stortingsrepresentantene forsto hvordan
 433 Internet påvirket folks forhold til kulturuttrykk, og min venn Vidar
 434 og jeg spekulert på at det hadde kanskje vært fornuftig om samtlige
 435 representanter fikk en norsk utgave av boken
 436 <a href="http://free-culture.cc/">Free Culture</a> av Lawrence Lessig
 437 som forklarte litt om problemstillingene.  Vi endte opp med å
 438 prioritere utvikling i
 439 <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Skolelinux</a>-prosjektet i
 440 stedet, så den oversatte boken så aldri dagens lys.  Men i forrige uke
 441 ble jeg inspirert til å ta opp tråden og se om det er mulig å få til
 442 bokprosjektet denne gang, da det er tydelig at kulturdepartementet i
 443 sitt nye forsøk på å gjøre opphavsrettsloven enda mer ubalansert til
 444 fordel for forlag og store mediehus fortsatt trenger en annen vinkling
 445 i debatten.</p>
 446
 447 <p>Planen min er å oversette boka på dugnad, sette den opp for
 448 trykking med en av de mange
 449 <a href="http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trykk_på_forespørsel">trykk på
 450 forespørsel</a>-tjenestene, skaffe sponsor til å finansiere trykking
 451 til stortingsrepresentantene og alle som har bidratt med
 452 oversettelser.  Kanskje vi også kan få en avtale med et forlag om
 453 publisering når boka er ferdig?  Kommentarene til
 454 <a href="http://newth.net/eirik/2011/04/01/e-selvpublisering/">Eirik
 455 Newth</a> og
 456 <a href="http://www.espen.com/norskblogg/archives/2008/09/erfaringer_med_publishing_on_demand.html">Espen
 457 Andersen</a> om erfaringene med selvpublisering og trykk på
 458 forespørsel er interessante og ikke avskrekkende, og jeg mistenker at
 459 <a href="http://www.lulu.com/">Lulu</a> er en grei leverandør av
 460 trykketjenester til prosjektet.</p>
 461
 462 <p>Jeg har satt opp
 463 <a href="https://github.com/petterreinholdtsen/free-culture-lessig">et
 464 Github-prosjekt</a> for a lage boken, basert på Docbook-utgaven jeg
 465 fant fra Hans Schou.  Skolelinux har hatt byggesystem for å lage
 466 oversatt HTML og PDF-utgave av Docbook-bøker i en årrekke, så jeg har
 467 kopiert og utvidet dette oppsettet.  Originalteksten er i Docbook, og
 468 oversettelsen gjøres i .po-filer med hjelp av vanlige
 469 oversetterverktøy brukt i fri programvareverden.  Dernest tar
 470 byggesystemet over og lager PDF og EPUB-utgave av den oversatte
 471 teksten.  Resultatet kan ses i Github-prosjektet.  For å komme raskt
 472 igang har jeg brukt maskinoversettelse av alle tekstbitene fra engelsk
 473 til norsk, noe som grovoversatte ca. 1300 av de ca. 1700 tekstbitene
 474 boken består av.  Jeg håper nå at flere kan bidra med å få
 475 oversettelsen på plass, slik at teksten kan være klar i løpet av
 476 høsten.  Når alt er oversatt må teksten gjennomgås for feil og
 477 konsistent språk.  Totalt er det nok mange timer som trengs for å
 478 gjennomføre oversettelsen.</p>
 479
 480 <p>Økonomien i dette er ikke avskrekkende.  169
 481 stortingsrepresentanter og nesten like mange varamedlemmer bør få
 482 bøker, og estimert produduksjonskostnad for hver bok er rundt 6 EURO i
 483 følge et raskt estimat fra Lulu.  Jeg vet ennå ikke hvor mange sider
 484 det blir i størrelsen 5,5" x 8.5" (det er ca. 140 sider i A4-format),
 485 så jeg gjettet på 400 sider.  Jeg tror originalutgaven har nesten 400
 486 sider.  For 169*2 eksemplarer snakker vi om en trykkekostnad på
 487 ca. 2000 EURO, dvs. ca 15 000 NOK.  Det burde være mulig å finne en
 488 sponsor for å dekke en slik sum.  I tillegg kommer distribusjon og
 489 porto, som antagelig kommer på like mye.</p>
 490
 491 <p>Kan du bidra med oversettelse og docbook-typesetting?  Ta kontakt
 492 og send patcher i github.  Jeg legger gjerne inn folk i prosjektet
 493 slik at du kan oppdatere direkte.</p>
 494 </div>
 495       <div class="tags">
 496
 497
 498         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett</a>.
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 501       </div>
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 504
 505     <div class="entry">
 506       <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu_interview__George_Bredberg.html">Debian Edu interview: George Bredberg</a></div>
 507       <div class="date"> 9th July 2012</div>
 508       <div class="body"><p>The <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Debian Edu /
 509 Skolelinux</a> project have users all over the globe, but until
 510 recently we have not known about any users in Norway's neighbour
 511 country Sweden.  This changed when George Bredberg showed up in March
 512 this year on the mailing list, asking interesting questions about how
 513 to adjust and scale the just released
 514 <a href="http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120311.html">Debian Edu
 515 Wheezy</a> setup to his liking.  He granted me an interview, and I am
 516 happy to share his answers with you here.</p>
 517
 518 <p><strong>Who are you, and how do you spend your days?</strong></p>
 519
 520 <p>I'm a 44 year old country guy that have been working 12 years at
 521 the same school as 50% IT-manager and 50% Teacher. My educational
 522 background is fil.kand in history and religious beliefs, an exam as a
 523 "folkhighschool" teacher, that is, for teaching grownups.  In
 524 Norwegian I believe it's called "Vuxenupplaring". I also have a master
 525 in "Technology and social change". So I'm not really a tech guy, I
 526 just like to study how humans and technology interact and that is my
 527 perspective when working with IT.</p>
 528
 529 <p><strong>How did you get in contact with the Skolelinux/Debian Edu
 530 project?</strong></p>
 531
 532 I have followed the Skolelinux project for quite some time by
 533 now. Earlier I tested out the K12-LTSP project, which we used for some
 534 time, but I really like the idea of having a distribution aimed to be
 535 a complete solution for schools with necessary tools integrated. When
 536 K12-LTSP abandoned that idea some years ago, I started to look more
 537 seriously into Skolelinux instead.
 538
 539 <p><strong>What do you see as the advantages of Skolelinux/Debian
 540 Edu?</strong></p>
 541
 542 The big point of Skolelinux to me is that it is a complete
 543 distribution, ready to install. It has LDAP-support, MS Windows
 544 integration tools and so forth already configured, saving an
 545 administrator a lot of time and headache. We were using another Linux
 546 based thin-client system called Thinlinc, that has served us very
 547 well. But that Skolelinux is based on VNC and LTSP, to me, is better
 548 when it comes to the kind of multimedia used in schools. That is
 549 showing videos from Youtube or educational TV. It is also easier to
 550 mix thin clients with workstations, since the user settings will be the
 551 same. In our VNC-based solution you had to "beat around the bush" by
 552 setting up a second, hidden, home-directory for user settings for the
 553 workstations, because they will be different from the ones used on the
 554 thin clients. Skolelinux support for diskless workstations are very
 555 convenient since a school today often need to use a class room
 556 projector showing videos in full screen. That is easily done with a
 557 small integrated media computer running as a diskless workstation. You
 558 have only two installs to update and configure. One for the thin
 559 clients and one for the workstations. Also saving a lot of time.  Our
 560 old system was also based on Redhat and CentOS. They are both very
 561 nice distributions, but they are sometimes painfully slow when it
 562 comes to updating multimedia support and multimedia programs (even
 563 such as Gimp), leaving us with a bit "oldish" applications. Debian is
 564 quicker to update.
 565
 566 <p><strong>What do you see as the disadvantages of Skolelinux/Debian
 567 Edu?</strong></p>
 568
 569 <p>Debian is a bit too quick when it comes to updating. As an example
 570 we use old HP terminals as thinclients, and two times already this
 571 year (2012) the updates you get from the repositories has stopped
 572 sound from working with them.  It's a kernel/ALSA issue. So you have
 573 to be more careful properly testing the updates before you run them in
 574 a production environment. This has never happened with CentOS.</p>
 575
 576 <p>I also would like to be able to set my own domain-settings at
 577 install time.  In Skolelinux they are kind of hard coded into the
 578 distribution, when it comes to LDAP and at least samba integration.
 579 That is more a cosmetic/translation issue, and not a real problem.
 580 Running MS Windows applications within the Skolelinux environment needs
 581 to be better supported. That is, running them seamlessly via RDP, and
 582 support for single-sign on.  That will make the transition to free
 583 software easier, because you can keep the applications you really
 584 need.  No support will make it impossible if you work in a school where
 585 some applications can't be open source. As for us we really need to
 586 run Adobe InDesign in our journalist classes.  We run a journalist
 587 education, and is one of the very few non university ones that is ok:d
 588 by Svenska journalistförbundet (Swedish journalist association).  Our
 589 education gives the pupils the right of membership there, once they
 590 are done.  This is important if you want to get a job.</p>
 591
 592 <p>Adobe InDesign is the program most commonly used in newspapers and
 593 magazines.  We used Quark Express before, but they seem to loose there
 594 market to Adobe. The only "equivalent" to InDesign in the opensource
 595 world is Scribus, and its not advanced enough. At least not according
 596 to the teacher. I think it would be possible to use it, because they
 597 are not supposed to learn a program, they are supposed to learn how to
 598 edit and compile a newspaper.  But politically at our school we are not
 599 there yet.  And Scribus lacks a lot of things you find i InDesign.</p>
 600
 601 <p>We used even a windows program for sound editing when it comes to
 602 the radio-journalist part. The year to come we are going to try
 603 Audacity. That software has the same kind of limitations compared to
 604 Adobe Audition, but that teacher is a bit more open minded. We have
 605 tried Ardour also, but that instead is more like a music studio
 606 program, not intended for the kind of editing taking place in a radio
 607 studio. Its way to complex and the GUI is to scattered when you only
 608 want to cut, make pass-overs, add extra channels and normalise.  Those
 609 things you can do in Audacity, but its not as easy as in Audition. You
 610 have to do more things manually with envelopes, and that is a bit old
 611 fashion and timewasting. Its also harder to cut and move sound from
 612 one channel to another, which is a thing that you do frequently
 613 because you often find yourself needing to rearrange parts of the
 614 sound file.</p>
 615
 616 <p>So, I am not sure we will succeed in replacing even Audition, but we
 617 will try.  The problem is the students have certain expectations when
 618 they start an education towards a profession.  So the programs has to
 619 look and feel professional.  Good thing with radio, there are many
 620 programs out there, that radio studios use, so its not as standardised
 621 as Newspaper editing. That means, it does not really matter what
 622 program they learn, because once they start working they still have to
 623 learn the program the studio uses, so instead focus has to be to learn
 624 the editing part without to much focus on a specific software.</p>
 625
 626 <p><strong>Which free software do you use daily?</strong></p>
 627
 628 <p>Myself I'm running Linux Mint, or Ubuntu these days.  I use almost
 629 only open source software, and preferably Linux based. When it comes
 630 to most used applications its OpenOffice, and Firefox (of course ;)
 631 )</p>
 632
 633 <p><strong>Which strategy do you believe is the right one to use to
 634 get schools to use free software?</strong></p>
 635
 636 <p>To get schools to use free software there has to be good open
 637 source software that are windows based, to ease the transition. But
 638 it's also very important that the multimedia support is working
 639 flawlessly.  The problems with Youtube, Twitter, Facebook and whatever
 640 will create problems when it comes to both teachers and
 641 students. Economy are also important for schools, so using thin
 642 clients, as long as they have good multimedia support, is a very good
 643 idea. It's also important that the open source software works even for
 644 the administration.  It's hard to convince the teachers to stick with
 645 open source, if the principal has to run Windows.  It also creates a
 646 problem if some classes has to use Windows for there tasks, since that
 647 will create a difference in "status" between classes, so a good
 648 support for running windows applications via the thin client (Linux)
 649 desktop is essential.  At least at our school, where we have mixed
 650 level of educations, from high-school to journalist-school.</p>
 651
 652 <p>Update 2012-07-09 08:30: Paul Wise tipped me on IRC about three
 653 useful sources related to Free Software for radio stations: the LWN
 654 article <a href="https://lwn.net/Articles/481607/">Radio station
 655 management with Airtime</a>,
 656 <a href="http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/">Airtime</a> which
 657 claim to be a Free open source radio automation software and
 658 <a href="http://www.rivendellaudio.org/">Rivendell</a> which claim to
 659 be complete radio broadcast automation solution.  All of them seem
 660 useful to the aspiring radio producer.</p>
 661 </div>
 662       <div class="tags">
 663
 664
 665         Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/intervju">intervju</a>.
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 678 <ul>
 679
 680 <li>2012
 681 <ul>
 682
 683 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/01/">January (7)</a></li>
 684
 685 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/02/">February (10)</a></li>
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 687 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/03/">March (17)</a></li>
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 695 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/07/">July (17)</a></li>
 696
 697 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/08/">August (2)</a></li>
 698
 699 </ul></li>
 700
 701 <li>2011
 702 <ul>
 703
 704 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2011/01/">January (16)</a></li>
 705
 706 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2011/02/">February (6)</a></li>
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 726 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2011/12/">December (1)</a></li>
 727
 728 </ul></li>
 729
 730 <li>2010
 731 <ul>
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 733 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2010/01/">January (2)</a></li>
 734
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 752
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 754
 755 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2010/12/">December (12)</a></li>
 756
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 758
 759 <li>2009
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 762 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2009/01/">January (8)</a></li>
 763
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 781
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 785
 786 </ul></li>
 787
 788 <li>2008
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 791 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2008/11/">November (5)</a></li>
 792
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