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  15      <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/">Petter Reinholdtsen</a>
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  23       <div class="title">Debian Edu interview: Jonathan Carter</div>
  24       <div class="date">12th June 2013</div>
  25       <div class="body"><p>There is a certain cross-over between the
  26 <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Debian Edu / Skolelinux
  27 project</a> and <a href="http://www.edubuntu.org/">the Edubuntu
  28 project</a>, and for example the LTSP packages in Debian are a joint
  29 effort between the projects.  One person with a foot in both camps is
  30 Jonathan Carter, which I am now happy to present to you.</p>
  31
  32 <p><strong>Who are you, and how do you spend your days?</strong></p>
  33
  34 <p>I'm a South-African free software geek who lives in Cape Town. My
  35 days vary quite a bit since I'm involved in too many things. As I'm
  36 getting older I'm learning how to focus a bit more :)</p>
  37
  38 <p>I'm also an Edubuntu contributor and I love when there are
  39 opportunities for the Edubuntu and Debian Edu projects to benefit from
  40 each other.</p>
  41
  42 <p><strong>How did you get in contact with the Skolelinux / Debian Edu
  43 project?</strong></p>
  44
  45 <p>I've been somewhat familiar with the project before, but I think my
  46 first direct exposure to the project was when I met Petter
  47 [Reinholdtsen] and Knut [Yrvin] at the Edubuntu summit in 2005 in
  48 London. They provided great feedback that helped the bootstrapping of
  49 Edubuntu. Back then Edubuntu (and even Ubuntu) was still very new and
  50 it was great getting input from people who have been around longer. I
  51 was also still very excitable and said yes to everything and to this
  52 day I have a big todo list backlog that I'm catching up with. I think
  53 over the years the relationship between Edubuntu and Debian-Edu has
  54 been gradually improving, although I think there's a lot that we could
  55 still improve on in terms of working together on packages. I'm sure
  56 we'll get there one day.</p>
  57
  58 <p><strong>What do you see as the advantages of Skolelinux / Debian
  59 Edu?</strong></p>
  60
  61 <p>Debian itself already has so many advantages. I could go on about
  62 it for pages, but in essence I love that it's a very honest project
  63 that puts its users first with no hidden agendas and also produces
  64 very high quality work.</p>
  65
  66 <p>I think the advantage of Debian Edu is that it makes many common
  67 set-up tasks simpler so that administrators can get up and running
  68 with a lot less effort and frustration. At the same time I think it
  69 helps to standardise installations in schools so that it's easier for
  70 community members and commercial suppliers to support.</p>
  71
  72 <p><strong>What do you see as the disadvantages of Skolelinux / Debian
  73 Edu?</strong></p>
  74
  75 <p>I had to re-type this one a few times because I'm trying to
  76 separate "disadvantages" from "areas that need improvement" (which is
  77 what I originally rambled on about)</p>
  78
  79 <p>The biggest disadvantage I can think of is lack of manpower. The
  80 project could do so much more if there were more good contributors. I
  81 think some of the problems are external too. Free software and free
  82 content in education is a no-brainer but it takes some time to catch
  83 on. When you've been working with the same proprietary eco-system for
  84 years and have gotten used to it, it can be hard to adjust to some
  85 concepts in the free software world. It would be nice if there were
  86 more Debian Edu consultants across the world. I'd love to be one
  87 myself but I'm already so over-committed that it's just not possible
  88 currently.</p>
  89
  90 <p>I think the best short-term solution to that large-scale problem is
  91 for schools to be pro-active and share their experiences and grow
  92 their skills in-house. I'm often saddened to see how much money
  93 educational institutions spend on 3rd party solutions that they don't
  94 have access to after the service has ended and they could've gotten so
  95 much more value otherwise by being more self-sustainable and
  96 autonomous.</p>
  97
  98 <p><strong>Which free software do you use daily?</strong></p>
  99
 100 <p>My main laptop dual-boots between Debian and Windows 7. I was
 101 Windows free for years but started dual-booting again last year for
 102 some games which help me focus and relax (Starcraft II in
 103 particular). Gaming support on Linux is improving in leaps and bounds
 104 so I suppose I'll soon be able to regain that disk space :)</p>
 105
 106 <p>Besides that I rely on Icedove, Chromium, Terminator, Byobu, irssi,
 107 git, Tomboy, KVM, VLC and LibreOffice. Recently I've been torn on
 108 which desktop environment I like and I'm taking some refuge in Xfce
 109 while I figure that out. I like tools that keep things simple. I enjoy
 110 Python and shell scripting. I went to an Arduino workshop recently and
 111 it was awesome seeing how easy and simple the IDE software was to get
 112 up and running in Debian compared to the users running Windows and OS
 113 X.</p>
 114
 115 <p>I also use mc which some people frown upon slightly. I got used to
 116 using Norton Commander in the early 90's and it stuck (I think the
 117 people who sneer at it is just jealous that they don't know how to use
 118 it :p)
 119
 120 <p><strong>Which strategy do you believe is the right one to use to
 121 get schools to use free software?</strong></p>
 122
 123 <p>I think trying to force it is unproductive. I also think that in
 124 many cases it's appropriate for schools to use non-free systems and I
 125 don't think that there's any particular moral or ethical problem with
 126 that.</p>
 127
 128 <p>I do think though that free software can already solve so so many
 129 problems in educational institutions and it's just a shame not taking
 130 advantage of that.</p>
 131
 132 <p>I also think that some curricula need serious review. For example,
 133 some areas of the world rely heavily on very specific versions of MS
 134 Office, teaching students to parrot menu items instead of learning the
 135 general concepts. I think that's very unproductive because firstly, MS
 136 Office's interface changes drastically every few years and on top of
 137 that it also locks in a generation to a product that might not be the
 138 best solution for them.</p>
 139
 140 <p>To answer your question, I believe that the right strategy is to
 141 educate and inform, giving someone the information they require to
 142 make a decision that would work for them.</p>
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