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  23       <div class=
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  24       <div class=
"date"> 2nd June 
2012</div> 
  25       <div class=
"body"><p>Back in 
2010, Mike Gabriel showed up on the
 
  26 <a href=
"http://www.skolelinux.org/">Debian Edu and Skolelinux
</a> 
  27 mailing list.  He quickly proved to be a valuable developer, and
 
  28 thanks to his tireless effort we now have Kerberos integrated into the
 
  29 <a href=
"http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120311.html">Debian Edu
 
  30 Squeeze
</a> version.
</p> 
  32 <p><strong>Who are you, and how do you spend your days?
</strong></p> 
  34 <p>My name is Mike Gabriel, I am 
38 years old and live near Kiel,
 
  35 Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. I live together with a wonderful partner
 
  36 (Angela Fuß) and two own children and two bonus children (contributed
 
  39 <p>During the day I am part-time employed as a system administrator
 
  40 and part-time working as an IT consultant. The consultancy work
 
  41 touches free software topics wherever and whenever possible. During
 
  42 the nights I am a free software developer. In the gaps I also train in
 
  43 becoming an osteopath.
</p> 
  45 <p>Starting in 
2010 we (Andreas Buchholz, Angela Fuß, Mike Gabriel)
 
  46 have set up a free software project in the area of Kiel that aims at
 
  47 introducing free software into schools. The project's name is
 
  48 "IT-Zukunft Schule" (IT future for schools). The project links IT
 
  49 skills with communication skills.
</p> 
  51 <p><strong>How did you get in contact with the Skolelinux/Debian Edu
 
  54 <p>While preparing our own customised Linux distribution for
 
  55 "IT-Zukunft Schule" we were repeatedly asked if we really wanted to
 
  56 reinvent the wheel. What schools really need is already available,
 
  57 people said.  From this impulse we started evaluating other Linux
 
  58 distributions that target being used for school networks.
</p> 
  60 <p>At the end we short-listed two approaches and compared them: a
 
  61 commercial Linux distribution developed by a company in Bremen,
 
  62 Germany, and Skolelinux / Debian Edu. Between 
12/
2010 and 
03/
2011 we
 
  63 went to several events and met people being responsible for marketing
 
  64 and development of either of the distributions. Skolelinux / Debian
 
  65 Edu was by far much more convincing compared to the other product that
 
  66 got short-listed beforehand--across the full spectrum. What was most
 
  67 attractive for me personally: the perspective of collaboration within
 
  68 the developmental branch of the Debian Edu project itself.
</p> 
  70 <p>In parallel with this, we talked to many local and not-so-local
 
  71 people.  People teaching at schools, headmasters, politicians, data
 
  72 protection experts, other IT professionals.
</p> 
  74 <p>We came to two conclusions:
</p> 
  76 <p>First, a technical conclusion: What schools need is available in
 
  77 bits and pieces here and there, and none of the solutions really fit
 
  78 by 
100%. Any school we have seen has a very individual IT setup
 
  79 whereas most of each school's requirements could mapped by a standard
 
  80 IT solution.  The requirement to this IT solution is flexibility and
 
  81 customisability, so that individual adaptations here and there are
 
  82 possible.  In terms of re-distributing and rolling out such a
 
  83 standardised IT system for schools (a system that is still to some
 
  84 degree customisable) there is still a lot of work to do here
 
  85 locally. Debian Edu / Skolelinux has been our choice as the starting
 
  88 <p>Second, a holistic conclusion: What schools need does not exist at
 
  89 all (or we missed it so far). There are several technical solutions
 
  90 for handling IT at schools that tend to make a good impression. What
 
  91 has been missing completely here in Germany, though, is the enrolment
 
  92 of people into using IT and teaching with IT. "IT-Zukunft Schule"
 
  93 tries to provide an approach for this.
</p> 
  95 <p>Only some schools have some sort of a media concept which explains,
 
  96 defines and gives guidance on how to use IT in class. Most schools in
 
  97 Northern Germany do not have an IT service provider, the school's IT
 
  98 equipment is managed by one or (if the school is lucky) two (admin)
 
  99 teachers, most of the workload these admin teachers get done in there
 
 102 <p>We were surprised that only a very few admin teachers were
 
 103 networked with colleagues from other schools. Basically, every school
 
 104 here around has its individual approach of providing IT equipment to
 
 105 teachers and students and the exchange of ideas has been quasi
 
 106 non-existent until 
2010/
2011.
</p> 
 108 <p>Quite some (non-admin) teachers try to avoid using IT technology in
 
 109 class as a learning medium completely. Several reasons for this
 
 110 avoidance do exist.
</p> 
 112 <p>We discovered that no-one has ever taken a closer look at this
 
 113 social part of IT management in schools, so far. On our quest journey
 
 114 for a technical IT solution for schools, we discussed this issue with
 
 115 several teachers, headmasters, politicians, other IT professionals and
 
 116 they all confirmed: a holistic approach of considering IT management
 
 117 at schools, an approach that includes the people in place, will be new
 
 118 and probably a gain for all.
</p> 
 120 <p><strong>What do you see as the advantages of Skolelinux/Debian
 
 123 <p>There is a list of advantages: international context, openness to
 
 124 any kind of contributions, do-ocracy policy, the closeness to Debian,
 
 125 the different installation scenarios possible (from stand-alone
 
 126 workstation to complex multi-server sites), the transparency within
 
 127 project communication, honest communication within the group of
 
 130 <p><strong>What do you see as the disadvantages of Skolelinux/Debian
 
 133 <p>Every coin has two sides:
</p> 
 135 <p>Technically: 
<a href=
"http://bugs.debian.org/311188">BTS issue
 
 136 #
311188</a>, tricky upgradability of a Debian Edu main server, network
 
 137 client installations on top of a plain vanilla Debian installation
 
 138 should become possible sometime in the near future, one could think
 
 139 about splitting the very complex package debian-edu-config into
 
 140 several portions (to make it easier for new developers to
 
 143 <p>Another issue I see is that we (as Debian Edu developers) should
 
 144 find out more about the network of people who do the marketing for
 
 145 Debian Edu / Skolelinux. There is a very active group in Germany
 
 146 promoting Skolelinux on the bigger Linux Days within Germany. Are
 
 147 there other groups like that in other countries? How can we bring
 
 148 these marketing people together (marketing group A with group B and
 
 149 all of them with the group of Debian Edu developers)? During the last
 
 150 meeting of the German Skolelinux group, I got the impression of people
 
 151 there being rather disconnected from the development department of
 
 152 Debian Edu / Skolelinux.
</p> 
 154 <p><strong>Which free software do you use daily?
</strong></p> 
 156 <p>For my daily business, I do not use commercial software at all.
</p> 
 158 <p>For normal stuff I use Iceweasel/Firefox, Libreoffice.org. For
 
 159 serious text writing I prefer LaTeX. I use gimp, inkscape, scribus for
 
 160 more artistic tasks. I run virtual machines in KVM and Virtualbox.
</p> 
 162 <p>I am one of the upstream developers of X2Go. In 
2010 I started the
 
 163 development of a Python based X2Go Client, called PyHoca-GUI.
 
 164 PyHoca-GUI has brought forth a Python X2Go Client API that currently
 
 165 is being integrated in Ubuntu's software center.
</p> 
 167 <p>For communications I have my own Kolab server running using Horde
 
 168 as web-based groupware client. For IRC I love to use irssi, for Jabber
 
 169 I have several clients that I use, mostly pidgin, though. I am also
 
 170 the Debian maintainer of Coccinella, a Jabber-based interactive
 
 173 <p>My favourite terminal emulator is KDE's Yakuake.
</p> 
 175 <p><strong>Which strategy do you believe is the right one to use to
 
 176 get schools to use free software?
</strong></p> 
 178 <p>Communicate, communicate, communicate. Enrol people, enrol people,
 
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71)
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3)
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10)
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2)
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54)
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4)
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55)
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6)
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12)
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55)
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2)
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11)
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