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  14        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/">Petter Reinholdtsen</a>
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  23   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Why_isn_t_Debian_Edu_using_VLC_.html">Why isn't Debian Edu using VLC?</a></div>
  24   <div class="date">2010-11-27 11:30</div>
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  26 <p>In the latest issue of Linux Journal, the readers choices were
  27 presented, and the winner among the multimedia player were VLC.
  28 Personally, I like VLC, and it is my player of choice when I first try
  29 to play a video file or stream.  Only if VLC fail will I drag out
  30 gmplayer to see if it can do better.  The reason is mostly the failure
  31 model and trust.  When VLC fail, it normally pop up a error message
  32 reporting the problem.  When mplayer fail, it normally segfault or
  33 just hangs.  The latter failure mode drain my trust in the program.<p>
  34
  35 <p>But even if VLC is my player of choice, we have choosen to use
  36 mplayer in <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Debian
  37 Edu/Skolelinux</a>.  The reason is simple.  We need a good browser
  38 plugin to play web videos seamlessly, and the VLC browser plugin is
  39 not very good.  For example, it lack in-line control buttons, so there
  40 is no way for the user to pause the video.  Also, when I
  41 <a href="http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/BrowserMultimedia">last
  42 tested the browser plugins</a> available in Debian, the VLC plugin
  43 failed on several video pages where mplayer based plugins worked.  If
  44 the browser plugin for VLC was as good as the gecko-mediaplayer
  45 package (which uses mplayer), we would switch.</P>
  46
  47 <p>While VLC is a good player, its user interface is slightly
  48 annoying.  The most annoying feature is its inconsistent use of
  49 keyboard shortcuts.  When the player is in full screen mode, its
  50 shortcuts are different from when it is playing the video in a window.
  51 For example, space only work as pause when in full screen mode.  I
  52 wish it had consisten shortcuts and that space also would work when in
  53 window mode.  Another nice shortcut in gmplayer is [enter] to restart
  54 the current video.  It is very nice when playing short videos from the
  55 web and want to restart it when new people arrive to have a look at
  56 what is going on.</p>
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  62    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/multimedia">multimedia</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/video">video</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/web">web</a>.
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  69   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/DND_hedrer_overv__kning_av_barn_med_Rosingsprisen.html">DND hedrer overvåkning av barn med Rosingsprisen</a></div>
  70   <div class="date">2010-11-23 14:15</div>
  71   <div class="body">
  72 <p>Jeg registrerer med vond smak i munnen at Den Norske Dataforening
  73 <a
  74 href="http://www.dataforeningen.no/hedret-med-rosingprisen.4849070-133913.html">hedrer
  75 overvåkning av barn med Rosingsprisen for kreativitet i år</a>.  Jeg
  76 er glad jeg nå er meldt ut av DND.</p>
  77
  78 <p>Å elektronisk overvåke sine barn er ikke å gjøre dem en tjeneste,
  79 men et overgrep mot individer i utvikling som bør læres opp til å ta
  80 egne valg.</p>
  81
  82 <p>For å sitere Datatilsynets nye leder, Bjørn Erik Thon, i
  83 <a href="http://www.idg.no/computerworld/article174262.ece">et intervju
  84 med Computerworld Norge</A>:</p>
  85
  86 <p><blockquote>
  87 - For alle som har barn, meg selv inkludert, er førstetanken at det
  88 hadde vært fint å vite hvor barnet sitt er til enhver tid. Men ungene
  89 har ikke godt av det. De er små individer som skal søke rundt og finne
  90 sine små gjemmesteder og utvide horisonten, uten at foreldrene ser dem
  91 i kortene. Det kan være fristende, men jeg ville ikke gått inn i
  92 dette.
  93 </blockquote></p>
  94
  95 <p>Det er skremmende å se at DND mener en tjeneste som legger opp til
  96 slike overgrep bør hedres.  Å flytte oppveksten for barn inn i en
  97 virtuell
  98 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon">Panopticon</a> er et
  99 grovt overgrep og vil gjøre skade på barnenes utvikling, og foreldre
 100 burde tenke seg godt om før de gir etter for sine instinkter her.</p>
 101
 102 <p>Blipper-tjenesten får meg til å tenke på bøkene til
 103 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Twelve_Hawks">John Twelve
 104 Hawks</a>, som forbilledlig beskriver hvordan et totalitært
 105 overvåkningssamfunn bygges sakte men sikkert rundt oss, satt sammen av
 106 gode intensjoner og manglende bevissthet om hvilke prinsipper et
 107 liberalt demokrati er fundamentert på.  Jeg har hatt stor glede av å
 108 lese alle de tre bøkene.</p>
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 113
 114    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>.
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 121   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades_of_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop__now_with_apt_get_autoremove.html">Lenny->Squeeze upgrades of the Gnome and KDE desktop, now with apt-get autoremove</a></div>
 122   <div class="date">2010-11-22 14:15</div>
 123   <div class="body">
 124 <p>Michael Biebl suggested to me on IRC, that I changed my automated
 125 upgrade testing of the
 126 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian-upgrade-testing/">Lenny
 127 Gnome and KDE Desktop</a> to do <tt>apt-get autoremove</tt> when using apt-get.
 128 This seem like a very good idea, so I adjusted by test scripts and
 129 can now present the updated result from today:</p>
 130
 131 <p>This is for Gnome:</p>
 132
 133 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 134
 135 <blockquote><p>
 136   apache2.2-bin
 137   aptdaemon
 138   baobab
 139   binfmt-support
 140   browser-plugin-gnash
 141   cheese-common
 142   cli-common
 143   cups-pk-helper
 144   dmz-cursor-theme
 145   empathy
 146   empathy-common
 147   freedesktop-sound-theme
 148   freeglut3
 149   gconf-defaults-service
 150   gdm-themes
 151   gedit-plugins
 152   geoclue
 153   geoclue-hostip
 154   geoclue-localnet
 155   geoclue-manual
 156   geoclue-yahoo
 157   gnash
 158   gnash-common
 159   gnome
 160   gnome-backgrounds
 161   gnome-cards-data
 162   gnome-codec-install
 163   gnome-core
 164   gnome-desktop-environment
 165   gnome-disk-utility
 166   gnome-screenshot
 167   gnome-search-tool
 168   gnome-session-canberra
 169   gnome-system-log
 170   gnome-themes-extras
 171   gnome-themes-more
 172   gnome-user-share
 173   gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
 174   gstreamer0.10-tools
 175   gtk2-engines
 176   gtk2-engines-pixbuf
 177   gtk2-engines-smooth
 178   hamster-applet
 179   libapache2-mod-dnssd
 180   libapr1
 181   libaprutil1
 182   libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3
 183   libaprutil1-ldap
 184   libart2.0-cil
 185   libboost-date-time1.42.0
 186   libboost-python1.42.0
 187   libboost-thread1.42.0
 188   libchamplain-0.4-0
 189   libchamplain-gtk-0.4-0
 190   libcheese-gtk18
 191   libclutter-gtk-0.10-0
 192   libcryptui0
 193   libdiscid0
 194   libelf1
 195   libepc-1.0-2
 196   libepc-common
 197   libepc-ui-1.0-2
 198   libfreerdp-plugins-standard
 199   libfreerdp0
 200   libgconf2.0-cil
 201   libgdata-common
 202   libgdata7
 203   libgdu-gtk0
 204   libgee2
 205   libgeoclue0
 206   libgexiv2-0
 207   libgif4
 208   libglade2.0-cil
 209   libglib2.0-cil
 210   libgmime2.4-cil
 211   libgnome-vfs2.0-cil
 212   libgnome2.24-cil
 213   libgnomepanel2.24-cil
 214   libgpod-common
 215   libgpod4
 216   libgtk2.0-cil
 217   libgtkglext1
 218   libgtksourceview2.0-common
 219   libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
 220   libmono-addins0.2-cil
 221   libmono-cairo2.0-cil
 222   libmono-corlib2.0-cil
 223   libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil
 224   libmono-posix2.0-cil
 225   libmono-security2.0-cil
 226   libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
 227   libmono-system2.0-cil
 228   libmtp8
 229   libmusicbrainz3-6
 230   libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil
 231   libndesk-dbus1.0-cil
 232   libopal3.6.8
 233   libpolkit-gtk-1-0
 234   libpt2.6.7
 235   libpython2.6
 236   librpm1
 237   librpmio1
 238   libsdl1.2debian
 239   libsrtp0
 240   libssh-4
 241   libtelepathy-farsight0
 242   libtelepathy-glib0
 243   libtidy-0.99-0
 244   media-player-info
 245   mesa-utils
 246   mono-2.0-gac
 247   mono-gac
 248   mono-runtime
 249   nautilus-sendto
 250   nautilus-sendto-empathy
 251   p7zip-full
 252   pkg-config
 253   python-aptdaemon
 254   python-aptdaemon-gtk
 255   python-axiom
 256   python-beautifulsoup
 257   python-bugbuddy
 258   python-clientform
 259   python-coherence
 260   python-configobj
 261   python-crypto
 262   python-cupshelpers
 263   python-elementtree
 264   python-epsilon
 265   python-evolution
 266   python-feedparser
 267   python-gdata
 268   python-gdbm
 269   python-gst0.10
 270   python-gtkglext1
 271   python-gtksourceview2
 272   python-httplib2
 273   python-louie
 274   python-mako
 275   python-markupsafe
 276   python-mechanize
 277   python-nevow
 278   python-notify
 279   python-opengl
 280   python-openssl
 281   python-pam
 282   python-pkg-resources
 283   python-pyasn1
 284   python-pysqlite2
 285   python-rdflib
 286   python-serial
 287   python-tagpy
 288   python-twisted-bin
 289   python-twisted-conch
 290   python-twisted-core
 291   python-twisted-web
 292   python-utidylib
 293   python-webkit
 294   python-xdg
 295   python-zope.interface
 296   remmina
 297   remmina-plugin-data
 298   remmina-plugin-rdp
 299   remmina-plugin-vnc
 300   rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
 301   rhythmbox-plugins
 302   rpm-common
 303   rpm2cpio
 304   seahorse-plugins
 305   shotwell
 306   software-center
 307   system-config-printer-udev
 308   telepathy-gabble
 309   telepathy-mission-control-5
 310   telepathy-salut
 311   tomboy
 312   totem
 313   totem-coherence
 314   totem-mozilla
 315   totem-plugins
 316   transmission-common
 317   xdg-user-dirs
 318   xdg-user-dirs-gtk
 319   xserver-xephyr
 320 </p></blockquote>
 321
 322 <p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>
 323
 324 <blockquote><p>
 325   cheese
 326   ekiga
 327   eog
 328   epiphany-extensions
 329   evolution-exchange
 330   fast-user-switch-applet
 331   file-roller
 332   gcalctool
 333   gconf-editor
 334   gdm
 335   gedit
 336   gedit-common
 337   gnome-games
 338   gnome-games-data
 339   gnome-nettool
 340   gnome-system-tools
 341   gnome-themes
 342   gnuchess
 343   gucharmap
 344   guile-1.8-libs
 345   libavahi-ui0
 346   libdmx1
 347   libgalago3
 348   libgtk-vnc-1.0-0
 349   libgtksourceview2.0-0
 350   liblircclient0
 351   libsdl1.2debian-alsa
 352   libspeexdsp1
 353   libsvga1
 354   rhythmbox
 355   seahorse
 356   sound-juicer
 357   system-config-printer
 358   totem-common
 359   transmission-gtk
 360   vinagre
 361   vino
 362 </p></blockquote>
 363
 364 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 365
 366 <blockquote><p>
 367   gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs
 368 </p></blockquote>
 369
 370 <p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
 371
 372 <blockquote><p>
 373 [nothing]
 374 </p></blockquote>
 375
 376 <p>This is for KDE:</p>
 377
 378 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 379
 380 <blockquote><p>
 381   ksmserver
 382 </p></blockquote>
 383
 384 <p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>
 385
 386 <blockquote><p>
 387   kwin
 388   network-manager-kde
 389 </p></blockquote>
 390
 391 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 392
 393 <blockquote><p>
 394   arts
 395   dolphin
 396   freespacenotifier
 397   google-gadgets-gst
 398   google-gadgets-xul
 399   kappfinder
 400   kcalc
 401   kcharselect
 402   kde-core
 403   kde-plasma-desktop
 404   kde-standard
 405   kde-window-manager
 406   kdeartwork
 407   kdeartwork-emoticons
 408   kdeartwork-style
 409   kdeartwork-theme-icon
 410   kdebase
 411   kdebase-apps
 412   kdebase-workspace
 413   kdebase-workspace-bin
 414   kdebase-workspace-data
 415   kdeeject
 416   kdelibs
 417   kdeplasma-addons
 418   kdeutils
 419   kdewallpapers
 420   kdf
 421   kfloppy
 422   kgpg
 423   khelpcenter4
 424   kinfocenter
 425   konq-plugins-l10n
 426   konqueror-nsplugins
 427   kscreensaver
 428   kscreensaver-xsavers
 429   ktimer
 430   kwrite
 431   libgle3
 432   libkde4-ruby1.8
 433   libkonq5
 434   libkonq5-templates
 435   libnetpbm10
 436   libplasma-ruby
 437   libplasma-ruby1.8
 438   libqt4-ruby1.8
 439   marble-data
 440   marble-plugins
 441   netpbm
 442   nuvola-icon-theme
 443   plasma-dataengines-workspace
 444   plasma-desktop
 445   plasma-desktopthemes-artwork
 446   plasma-runners-addons
 447   plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets
 448   plasma-scriptengine-python
 449   plasma-scriptengine-qedje
 450   plasma-scriptengine-ruby
 451   plasma-scriptengine-webkit
 452   plasma-scriptengines
 453   plasma-wallpapers-addons
 454   plasma-widget-folderview
 455   plasma-widget-networkmanagement
 456   ruby
 457   sweeper
 458   update-notifier-kde
 459   xscreensaver-data-extra
 460   xscreensaver-gl
 461   xscreensaver-gl-extra
 462   xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod
 463 </p></blockquote>
 464
 465 <p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
 466
 467 <blockquote><p>
 468   ark
 469   google-gadgets-common
 470   google-gadgets-qt
 471   htdig
 472   kate
 473   kdebase-bin
 474   kdebase-data
 475   kdepasswd
 476   kfind
 477   klipper
 478   konq-plugins
 479   konqueror
 480   ksysguard
 481   ksysguardd
 482   libarchive1
 483   libcln6
 484   libeet1
 485   libeina-svn-06
 486   libggadget-1.0-0b
 487   libggadget-qt-1.0-0b
 488   libgps19
 489   libkdecorations4
 490   libkephal4
 491   libkonq4
 492   libkonqsidebarplugin4a
 493   libkscreensaver5
 494   libksgrd4
 495   libksignalplotter4
 496   libkunitconversion4
 497   libkwineffects1a
 498   libmarblewidget4
 499   libntrack-qt4-1
 500   libntrack0
 501   libplasma-geolocation-interface4
 502   libplasmaclock4a
 503   libplasmagenericshell4
 504   libprocesscore4a
 505   libprocessui4a
 506   libqalculate5
 507   libqedje0a
 508   libqtruby4shared2
 509   libqzion0a
 510   libruby1.8
 511   libscim8c2a
 512   libsmokekdecore4-3
 513   libsmokekdeui4-3
 514   libsmokekfile3
 515   libsmokekhtml3
 516   libsmokekio3
 517   libsmokeknewstuff2-3
 518   libsmokeknewstuff3-3
 519   libsmokekparts3
 520   libsmokektexteditor3
 521   libsmokekutils3
 522   libsmokenepomuk3
 523   libsmokephonon3
 524   libsmokeplasma3
 525   libsmokeqtcore4-3
 526   libsmokeqtdbus4-3
 527   libsmokeqtgui4-3
 528   libsmokeqtnetwork4-3
 529   libsmokeqtopengl4-3
 530   libsmokeqtscript4-3
 531   libsmokeqtsql4-3
 532   libsmokeqtsvg4-3
 533   libsmokeqttest4-3
 534   libsmokeqtuitools4-3
 535   libsmokeqtwebkit4-3
 536   libsmokeqtxml4-3
 537   libsmokesolid3
 538   libsmokesoprano3
 539   libtaskmanager4a
 540   libtidy-0.99-0
 541   libweather-ion4a
 542   libxklavier16
 543   libxxf86misc1
 544   okteta
 545   oxygencursors
 546   plasma-dataengines-addons
 547   plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba
 548   plasma-widget-lancelot
 549   plasma-widgets-addons
 550   plasma-widgets-workspace
 551   polkit-kde-1
 552   ruby1.8
 553   systemsettings
 554   update-notifier-common
 555 </p></blockquote>
 556
 557 <p>Running apt-get autoremove made the results using apt-get and
 558 aptitude a bit more similar, but there are still quite a lott of
 559 differences.  I have no idea what packages should be installed after
 560 the upgrade, but hope those that do can have a look.</p>
 561 </div>
 562   <div class="tags">
 563
 564
 565
 566    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
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 572  <div class="entry">
 573   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Migrating_Xen_virtual_machines_using_LVM_to_KVM_using_disk_images.html">Migrating Xen virtual machines using LVM to KVM using disk images</a></div>
 574   <div class="date">2010-11-22 11:20</div>
 575   <div class="body">
 576 <p>Most of the computers in use by the
 577 <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Debian Edu/Skolelinux project</a>
 578 are virtual machines.  And they have been Xen machines running on a
 579 fairly old IBM eserver xseries 345 machine, and we wanted to migrate
 580 them to KVM on a newer Dell PowerEdge 2950 host machine.  This was a
 581 bit harder that it could have been, because we set up the Xen virtual
 582 machines to get the virtual partitions from LVM, which as far as I
 583 know is not supported by KVM.  So to migrate, we had to convert
 584 several LVM logical volumes to partitions on a virtual disk file.</p>
 585
 586 <p>I found
 587 <a href="http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com.au/articles/35011-Six-steps-for-migrating-Xen-virtual-machines-to-KVM">a
 588 nice recipe</a> to do this, and wrote the following script to do the
 589 migration.  It uses qemu-img from the qemu package to make the disk
 590 image, parted to partition it, losetup and kpartx to present the disk
 591 image partions as devices, and dd to copy the data.  I NFS mounted the
 592 new servers storage area on the old server to do the migration.</p>
 593
 594 <pre>
 595 #!/bin/sh
 596
 597 # Based on
 598 # http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com.au/articles/35011-Six-steps-for-migrating-Xen-virtual-machines-to-KVM
 599
 600 set -e
 601 set -x
 602
 603 if [ -z "$1" ] ; then
 604     echo "Usage: $0 &lt;hostname&gt;"
 605     exit 1
 606 else
 607     host="$1"
 608 fi
 609
 610 if [ ! -e /dev/vg_data/$host-disk ] ; then
 611     echo "error: unable to find LVM volume for $host"
 612     exit 1
 613 fi
 614
 615 # Partitions need to be a bit bigger than the LVM LVs.  not sure why.
 616 disksize=$( lvs --units m | grep $host-disk | awk '{sum = sum + $4} END { print int(sum * 1.05) }')
 617 swapsize=$( lvs --units m | grep $host-swap | awk '{sum = sum + $4} END { print int(sum * 1.05) }')
 618 totalsize=$(( ( $disksize + $swapsize ) ))
 619
 620 img=$host.img
 621 #dd if=/dev/zero of=$img bs=1M count=$(( $disksize + $swapsize ))
 622 qemu-img create $img ${totalsize}MMaking room on the Debian Edu/Sqeeze DVD
 623
 624 parted $img mklabel msdos
 625 parted $img mkpart primary linux-swap 0 $disksize
 626 parted $img mkpart primary ext2 $disksize $totalsize
 627 parted $img set 1 boot on
 628
 629 modprobe dm-mod
 630 losetup /dev/loop0 $img
 631 kpartx -a /dev/loop0
 632
 633 dd if=/dev/vg_data/$host-disk of=/dev/mapper/loop0p1 bs=1M
 634 fsck.ext3 -f /dev/mapper/loop0p1 || true
 635 mkswap /dev/mapper/loop0p2
 636
 637 kpartx -d /dev/loop0
 638 losetup -d /dev/loop0
 639 </pre>
 640
 641 <p>The script is perhaps so simple that it is not copyrightable, but
 642 if it is, it is licenced using GPL v2 or later at your discretion.</p>
 643
 644 <p>After doing this, I booted a Debian CD in rescue mode in KVM with
 645 the new disk image attached, installed grub-pc and linux-image-686 and
 646 set up grub to boot from the disk image.  After this, the KVM machines
 647 seem to work just fine.</p>
 648 </div>
 649   <div class="tags">
 650
 651
 652
 653    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
 654
 655   </div>
 656  </div>
 657  <div class="padding"></div>
 658
 659  <div class="entry">
 660   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades__apt_vs_aptitude_with_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop.html">Lenny->Squeeze upgrades, apt vs aptitude with the Gnome and KDE desktop</a></div>
 661   <div class="date">2010-11-20 22:50</div>
 662   <div class="body">
 663 <p>I'm still running upgrade testing of the
 664 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian-upgrade-testing/">Lenny
 665 Gnome and KDE Desktop</a>, but have not had time to spend on reporting the
 666 status.  Here is a short update based on a test I ran 20101118.</p>
 667
 668 <p>I still do not know what a correct migration should look like, so I
 669 report any differences between apt and aptitude and hope someone else
 670 can see if anything should be changed.</p>
 671
 672 <p>This is for Gnome:</p>
 673
 674 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 675
 676 <blockquote><p>
 677   apache2.2-bin aptdaemon at-spi baobab binfmt-support
 678   browser-plugin-gnash cheese-common cli-common cpp-4.3 cups-pk-helper
 679   dmz-cursor-theme empathy empathy-common finger
 680   freedesktop-sound-theme freeglut3 gconf-defaults-service gdm-themes
 681   gedit-plugins geoclue geoclue-hostip geoclue-localnet geoclue-manual
 682   geoclue-yahoo gnash gnash-common gnome gnome-backgrounds
 683   gnome-cards-data gnome-codec-install gnome-core
 684   gnome-desktop-environment gnome-disk-utility gnome-screenshot
 685   gnome-search-tool gnome-session-canberra gnome-spell
 686   gnome-system-log gnome-themes-extras gnome-themes-more
 687   gnome-user-share gs-common gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
 688   gstreamer0.10-tools gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-pixbuf
 689   gtk2-engines-smooth hal-info hamster-applet libapache2-mod-dnssd
 690   libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap
 691   libart2.0-cil libatspi1.0-0 libboost-date-time1.42.0
 692   libboost-python1.42.0 libboost-thread1.42.0 libchamplain-0.4-0
 693   libchamplain-gtk-0.4-0 libcheese-gtk18 libclutter-gtk-0.10-0
 694   libcryptui0 libcupsys2 libdiscid0 libeel2-data libelf1 libepc-1.0-2
 695   libepc-common libepc-ui-1.0-2 libfreerdp-plugins-standard
 696   libfreerdp0 libgail-common libgconf2.0-cil libgdata-common libgdata7
 697   libgdl-1-common libgdu-gtk0 libgee2 libgeoclue0 libgexiv2-0 libgif4
 698   libglade2.0-cil libglib2.0-cil libgmime2.4-cil libgnome-vfs2.0-cil
 699   libgnome2.24-cil libgnomepanel2.24-cil libgnomeprint2.2-data
 700   libgnomeprintui2.2-common libgnomevfs2-bin libgpod-common libgpod4
 701   libgtk2.0-cil libgtkglext1 libgtksourceview-common
 702   libgtksourceview2.0-common libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
 703   libmono-addins0.2-cil libmono-cairo2.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil
 704   libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil libmono-posix2.0-cil
 705   libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
 706   libmono-system2.0-cil libmtp8 libmusicbrainz3-6
 707   libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil libndesk-dbus1.0-cil libopal3.6.8
 708   libpolkit-gtk-1-0 libpt-1.10.10-plugins-alsa
 709   libpt-1.10.10-plugins-v4l libpt2.6.7 libpython2.6 librpm1 librpmio1
 710   libsdl1.2debian libservlet2.4-java libsrtp0 libssh-4
 711   libtelepathy-farsight0 libtelepathy-glib0 libtidy-0.99-0
 712   libxalan2-java libxerces2-java media-player-info mesa-utils
 713   mono-2.0-gac mono-gac mono-runtime nautilus-sendto
 714   nautilus-sendto-empathy openoffice.org-writer2latex
 715   openssl-blacklist p7zip p7zip-full pkg-config python-4suite-xml
 716   python-aptdaemon python-aptdaemon-gtk python-axiom
 717   python-beautifulsoup python-bugbuddy python-clientform
 718   python-coherence python-configobj python-crypto python-cupshelpers
 719   python-cupsutils python-eggtrayicon python-elementtree
 720   python-epsilon python-evolution python-feedparser python-gdata
 721   python-gdbm python-gst0.10 python-gtkglext1 python-gtkmozembed
 722   python-gtksourceview2 python-httplib2 python-louie python-mako
 723   python-markupsafe python-mechanize python-nevow python-notify
 724   python-opengl python-openssl python-pam python-pkg-resources
 725   python-pyasn1 python-pysqlite2 python-rdflib python-serial
 726   python-tagpy python-twisted-bin python-twisted-conch
 727   python-twisted-core python-twisted-web python-utidylib python-webkit
 728   python-xdg python-zope.interface remmina remmina-plugin-data
 729   remmina-plugin-rdp remmina-plugin-vnc rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
 730   rhythmbox-plugins rpm-common rpm2cpio seahorse-plugins shotwell
 731   software-center svgalibg1 system-config-printer-udev
 732   telepathy-gabble telepathy-mission-control-5 telepathy-salut tomboy
 733   totem totem-coherence totem-mozilla totem-plugins
 734   transmission-common xdg-user-dirs xdg-user-dirs-gtk xserver-xephyr
 735   zip
 736 </p></blockquote>
 737
 738 Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude
 739
 740 <blockquote><p>
 741   arj bluez-utils cheese dhcdbd djvulibre-desktop ekiga eog
 742   epiphany-extensions epiphany-gecko evolution-exchange
 743   fast-user-switch-applet file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdm gedit
 744   gedit-common gnome-app-install gnome-games gnome-games-data
 745   gnome-nettool gnome-system-tools gnome-themes gnome-utils
 746   gnome-vfs-obexftp gnome-volume-manager gnuchess gucharmap
 747   guile-1.8-libs hal libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-core5
 748   libavahi-ui0 libbind9-50 libbluetooth2 libcamel1.2-11 libcdio7
 749   libcucul0 libcurl3 libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdmx1 libdvdread3
 750   libedata-cal1.2-6 libedataserver1.2-9 libeel2-2.20 libepc-1.0-1
 751   libepc-ui-1.0-1 libexchange-storage1.2-3 libfaad0 libgadu3
 752   libgalago3 libgd2-noxpm libgda3-3 libgda3-common libggz2 libggzcore9
 753   libggzmod4 libgksu1.2-0 libgksuui1.0-1 libgmyth0 libgnome-desktop-2
 754   libgnome-pilot2 libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0
 755   libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libgpod3 libgraphviz4 libgtk-vnc-1.0-0
 756   libgtkhtml2-0 libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-0
 757   libgucharmap6 libhesiod0 libicu38 libisccc50 libisccfg50 libiw29
 758   libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libkpathsea4 liblircclient0 libltdl3 liblwres50
 759   libmagick++10 libmagick10 libmalaga7 libmozjs1d libmpfr1ldbl libmtp7
 760   libmysqlclient15off libnautilus-burn4 libneon27 libnm-glib0
 761   libnm-util0 libopal-2.2 libosp5 libparted1.8-10 libpisock9
 762   libpisync1 libpoppler-glib3 libpoppler3 libpt-1.10.10 libraw1394-8
 763   libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsensors3 libsexy2 libsmbios2 libsoup2.2-8
 764   libspeexdsp1 libssh2-1 libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libsvga1
 765   libswfdec-0.6-90 libtalloc1 libtotem-plparser10 libtrackerclient0
 766   libvoikko1 libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java-gcj libxklavier12
 767   libxtrap6 libxxf86misc1 libzephyr3 mysql-common rhythmbox seahorse
 768   sound-juicer swfdec-gnome system-config-printer totem-common
 769   totem-gstreamer transmission-gtk vinagre vino w3c-dtd-xhtml wodim
 770 </p></blockquote>
 771
 772 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 773
 774 <blockquote><p>
 775   gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs
 776 </p></blockquote>
 777
 778 <p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
 779
 780 <blockquote><p>
 781 [nothing]
 782 </p></blockquote>
 783
 784 <p>This is for KDE:</p>
 785
 786 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 787
 788 <blockquote><p>
 789   autopoint bomber bovo cantor cantor-backend-kalgebra cpp-4.3 dcoprss
 790   edict espeak espeak-data eyesapplet fifteenapplet finger gettext
 791   ghostscript-x git gnome-audio gnugo granatier gs-common
 792   gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio indi kaddressbook-plugins kalgebra
 793   kalzium-data kanjidic kapman kate-plugins kblocks kbreakout kbstate
 794   kde-icons-mono kdeaccessibility kdeaddons-kfile-plugins
 795   kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-misc kdeartwork-theme-window
 796   kdeedu kdeedu-data kdeedu-kvtml-data kdegames kdegames-card-data
 797   kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelirc
 798   kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
 799   kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins kdessh kdetoys kdewebdev
 800   kdiamond kdnssd kfilereplace kfourinline kgeography-data kigo
 801   killbots kiriki klettres-data kmoon kmrml knewsticker-scripts
 802   kollision kpf krosspython ksirk ksmserver ksquares kstars-data
 803   ksudoku kubrick kweather libasound2-plugins libboost-python1.42.0
 804   libcfitsio3 libconvert-binhex-perl libcrypt-ssleay-perl libdb4.6++
 805   libdjvulibre-text libdotconf1.0 liberror-perl libespeak1
 806   libfinance-quote-perl libgail-common libgsl0ldbl libhtml-parser-perl
 807   libhtml-tableextract-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl
 808   libio-stringy-perl libkdeedu4 libkdegames5 libkiten4 libkpathsea5
 809   libkrossui4 libmailtools-perl libmime-tools-perl
 810   libnews-nntpclient-perl libopenbabel3 libportaudio2 libpulse-browse0
 811   libservlet2.4-java libspeechd2 libtiff-tools libtimedate-perl
 812   libunistring0 liburi-perl libwww-perl libxalan2-java libxerces2-java
 813   lirc luatex marble networkstatus noatun-plugins
 814   openoffice.org-writer2latex palapeli palapeli-data parley
 815   parley-data poster psutils pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat
 816   pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-utils quanta-data rocs rsync
 817   speech-dispatcher step svgalibg1 texlive-binaries texlive-luatex
 818   ttf-sazanami-gothic
 819 </p></blockquote>
 820
 821 <p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>
 822
 823 <blockquote><p>
 824   amor artsbuilder atlantik atlantikdesigner blinken bluez-utils cvs
 825   dhcdbd djvulibre-desktop imlib-base imlib11 kalzium kanagram kandy
 826   kasteroids katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kbounce kbruch
 827   kcron kdat kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data kdeprint kdict kdvi kedit
 828   keduca kenolaba kfax kfaxview kfouleggs kgeography kghostview
 829   kgoldrunner khangman khexedit kiconedit kig kimagemapeditor
 830   kitchensync kiten kjumpingcube klatin klettres klickety klines
 831   klinkstatus kmag kmahjongg kmailcvt kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmines
 832   kmousetool kmouth kmplot knetwalk kodo kolf kommander konquest kooka
 833   kpager kpat kpdf kpercentage kpilot kpoker kpovmodeler krec
 834   kregexpeditor kreversi ksame ksayit kshisen ksig ksim ksirc ksirtet
 835   ksmiletris ksnake ksokoban kspaceduel kstars ksvg ksysv kteatime
 836   ktip ktnef ktouch ktron kttsd ktuberling kturtle ktux kuickshow
 837   kverbos kview kviewshell kvoctrain kwifimanager kwin kwin4 kwordquiz
 838   kworldclock kxsldbg libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1-audiofile
 839   libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
 840   libavahi-core5 libavc1394-0 libbind9-50 libbluetooth2
 841   libboost-python1.34.1 libcucul0 libcurl3 libcvsservice0
 842   libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdjvulibre21 libdvdread3 libfaad0 libfreebob0
 843   libgd2-noxpm libgraphviz4 libgsmme1c2a libgtkhtml2-0 libicu38
 844   libiec61883-0 libindex0 libisccc50 libisccfg50 libiw29
 845   libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libk3b3 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdeedu3
 846   libkdegames1 libkdepim1a libkgantt0 libkleopatra1 libkmime2
 847   libkpathsea4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
 848   libksieve0 libktnef1 liblockdev1 libltdl3 liblwres50 libmagick10
 849   libmimelib1c2a libmodplug0c2 libmozjs1d libmpcdec3 libmpfr1ldbl
 850   libneon27 libnm-util0 libopensync0 libpisock9 libpoppler-glib3
 851   libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler3 libraw1394-8 librss1 libsensors3
 852   libsmbios2 libssh2-1 libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libswfdec-0.6-90
 853   libtalloc1 libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java-gcj libxtrap6 lskat
 854   mpeglib network-manager-kde noatun pmount tex-common texlive-base
 855   texlive-common texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-recommended tidy
 856   ttf-dustin ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-sjfonts
 857 </p></blockquote>
 858
 859 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 860
 861 <blockquote><p>
 862   dolphin kde-core kde-plasma-desktop kde-standard kde-window-manager
 863   kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-apps kdebase-workspace
 864   kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdeutils kscreensaver
 865   kscreensaver-xsavers libgle3 libkonq5 libkonq5-templates libnetpbm10
 866   netpbm plasma-widget-folderview plasma-widget-networkmanagement
 867   xscreensaver-data-extra xscreensaver-gl xscreensaver-gl-extra
 868   xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod
 869 </p></blockquote>
 870
 871 <p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
 872
 873 <blockquote><p>
 874   kdebase-bin konq-plugins konqueror
 875 </p></blockquote>
 876 </div>
 877   <div class="tags">
 878
 879
 880
 881    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
 882
 883   </div>
 884  </div>
 885  <div class="padding"></div>
 886
 887  <div class="entry">
 888   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Gnash_buildbot_slave_and_Debian_kfreebsd.html">Gnash buildbot slave and Debian kfreebsd</a></div>
 889   <div class="date">2010-11-20 07:20</div>
 890   <div class="body">
 891 <p>Answering
 892 <a href="http://www.listware.net/201011/gnash-dev/67431-gnash-dev-buildbot-looking-for-slaves.html">the
 893 call from the Gnash project</a> for
 894 <a href="http://www.gnashdev.org:8010">buildbot</a> slaves to test the
 895 current source, I have set up a virtual KVM machine on the Debian
 896 Edu/Skolelinux virtualization host to test the git source on
 897 Debian/Squeeze.  I hope this can help the developers in getting new
 898 releases out more often.</p>
 899
 900 <p>As the developers want less main-stream build platforms tested to,
 901 I have considered setting up a <a
 902 href="http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/">Debian/kfreebsd</a>
 903 machine as well.  I have also considered using the kfreebsd
 904 architecture in Debian as a file server in NUUG to get access to the 5
 905 TB zfs volume we currently use to store DV video.  Because of this, I
 906 finally got around to do a test installation of Debian/Squeeze with
 907 kfreebsd.  Installation went fairly smooth, thought I noticed some
 908 visual glitches in the cdebconf dialogs (black cursor left on the
 909 screen at random locations).  Have not gotten very far with the
 910 testing.  Noticed cfdisk did not work, but fdisk did so it was not a
 911 fatal problem.  Have to spend some more time on it to see if it is
 912 useful as a file server for NUUG.  Will try to find time to set up a
 913 gnash buildbot slave on the Debian Edu/Skolelinux this weekend.</p>
 914 </div>
 915   <div class="tags">
 916
 917
 918
 919    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
 920
 921   </div>
 922  </div>
 923  <div class="padding"></div>
 924
 925  <div class="entry">
 926   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/N___er_74_norske_overv__kningskamera_registert_i_OpenStreetmap_org.html">Nå er 74 norske overvåkningskamera registert i OpenStreetmap.org</a></div>
 927   <div class="date">2010-11-18 11:25</div>
 928   <div class="body">
 929 <p>Jeg oppdaterte nettopp kartet med overvåkningskamera som
 930 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Kart_over_overv__kningskamera_i_Norge.html">jeg
 931 startet</a> for ca. et og et halvt år siden, og nå er det 74 kamera på
 932 plass.  I prosessen med å oppdatere kartet oppdaget jeg ved en
 933 tilfeldighet at webreferansen til registermeldingen hos Datatilsynet
 934 nå ikke lenger er gyldig (se
 935 <a href="http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_view.pl?id=31062">tidligere
 936 melding</a>).  Antar Datatilsynet fjerner utdaterte meldinger fra
 937 databasen.  Konsekvensen blir at kameraoversikten i OSM må ha med
 938 søkekriteriene som ble brukt for å finne registermeldingen
 939 (dvs. virksomhetsnavn og organisasjonsnummer), slik at eventuelt nye
 940 meldinger for samme kamera kan finnes igjen.</p>
 941
 942 <p>Det er dukket opp kamera på
 943 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/">kartet</a>
 944 i Bergensområdet, Stavangerområdet, Osloområdet, Gjøvikområdet og i
 945 Troms.  Mange områder og kamera mangler, og jeg er overbevist om at
 946 bare en brøkdel av den enorme mengden kamera som nå finnes i det
 947 offentlige rom er registrert så langt.  Instrukser for å legge inn
 948 kamera finnes på websiden for kartet hos
 949 <a href="http://personvern.no/wiki/index.php/Kameraovervåkning">personvernforeningen</a>.</p>
 950 </div>
 951   <div class="tags">
 952
 953
 954
 955    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>.
 956
 957   </div>
 958  </div>
 959  <div class="padding"></div>
 960
 961  <div class="entry">
 962   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Gjendikte_sangen__Copying_Is_Not_Theft__p___Norsk_.html">Gjendikte sangen "Copying Is Not Theft" på Norsk?</a></div>
 963   <div class="date">2010-11-10 14:40</div>
 964   <div class="body">
 965 <p>En genial liten sang om kopiering og tyveri er
 966 <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/CopyingIsNotTheft">Copying Is
 967 Not Theft</a> av Nina Paley.  Den vil jeg at
 968 <a href="http://www.nuug.no/">NUUG</a> skal sende på
 969 <a href="http://www.frikanalen.no/">Frikanalen</a>, men først må vi
 970 fikse norske undertekster eller dubbing.  Og i og med at det er en
 971 sang, tror jeg den kanskje bør gjendiktes.
 972
 973 Selve teksten finner en på bloggen til
 974 <a href="http://blog.ninapaley.com/2009/12/15/minute-meme-1-copying-is-not-theft/">tekstforfatteren</a> og den ser slik ut:
 975
 976 <p><blockquote>
 977 <p>Copying is not theft.
 978 <br>Stealing a thing leaves one less left
 979 <br>Copying it makes one thing more;
 980 <br>that's what copying's for.</p>
 981
 982 <p>Copying is not theft.
 983 <br>If I copy yours you have it too
 984 <br>One for me and one for you
 985 <br>That's what copies can do</p>
 986
 987 <p>If I steal your bicycle
 988 <br>you have to take the bus,
 989 <br>but if I just copy it
 990 <br>there's one for each of us!</p>
 991
 992 <p>Making more of a thing,
 993 <br>that is what we call "copying"
 994 <br>Sharing ideas with everyone
 995 <br>That's why copying
 996 <br>is
 997 <br>FUN!</p>
 998 </blockquote></p>
 999
1000 <p>Her er et naivt forsøk på oversettelse, uten noe forsøk på
1001 gjendiktning eller få det til å flyte sammen med melodien.</p>
1002
1003 <p><blockquote>
1004 <p>Kopiering er ikke tyveri.
1005 <br>Stjeler du en ting er det en mindre igjen
1006 <br>Kopier den og det er ting til.
1007 <br>det er derfor vi har kopiering.</p>
1008
1009 <p>Kopiering er ikke tyveri.
1010 <br>Hvis jeg kopierer din så har du den fortsatt
1011 <br>En for meg og en for deg.
1012 <br>Det er det kopier gir oss</p>
1013
1014 <p>Hvis jeg stjeler sykkelen din
1015 <br>så må du ta bussen,
1016 <br>men hvis jeg bare kopierer den,
1017 <br>så får vi hver vår!</p>
1018
1019 <p>Lage mer av en ting,
1020 <br>det er det vi kaller "kopiering".
1021 <br>Deler ideer med enhver
1022 <br>Det er derfor kopiering
1023 <br>er
1024 <br>MORSOMT!</p>
1025 </blockquote></p>
1026
1027 <p>Hvis du har forslag til bedre oversettelse eller lyst til å bidra
1028 til å få denne sangen over i norsk språkdrakt, ta kontakt med video
1029 (at) nuug.no.</p>
1030 </div>
1031   <div class="tags">
1032
1033
1034
1035    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/fildeling">fildeling</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>.
1036
1037   </div>
1038  </div>
1039  <div class="padding"></div>
1040
1041  <div class="entry">
1042   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_in_3D.html">Debian in 3D</a></div>
1043   <div class="date">2010-11-09 16:10</div>
1044   <div class="body">
1045 <p><img src="http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/23/e0/c4/f9/2b/debswagtdose_preview_medium.jpg"></p>
1046
1047 <p>3D printing is just great.  I just came across this Debian logo in
1048 3D linked in from
1049 <a href="http://blog.thingiverse.com/2010/11/09/participatory-branding/">the
1050 thingiverse blog</a>.</p>
1051 </div>
1052   <div class="tags">
1053
1054
1055
1056    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/3d-printer">3d-printer</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
1057
1058   </div>
1059  </div>
1060  <div class="padding"></div>
1061
1062  <div class="entry">
1063   <div class="title"><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Datatilsynet_mangler_verkt__yet_som_trengs_for____kontrollere_kameraoverv__kning.html">Datatilsynet mangler verktøyet som trengs for å kontrollere kameraovervåkning</a></div>
1064   <div class="date">2010-11-09 14:35</div>
1065   <div class="body">
1066 <p>En stund tilbake ble jeg oppmerksom på at Datatilsynets verktøy for
1067 å holde rede på overvåkningskamera i Norge ikke var egnet til annet
1068 enn å lage statistikk, og ikke kunne brukes for å kontrollere om et
1069 overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom er lovlig satt opp og
1070 registrert.  For å teste hypotesen sendte jeg for noen dager siden
1071 følgende spørsmål til datatilsynet.  Det omtalte kameraet står litt
1072 merkelig plassert i veigrøften ved gangstien langs Sandakerveien, og
1073 jeg lurer oppriktig på om det er lovlig plassert og registrert.</p>
1074
1075 <p><blockquote>
1076 <p>Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:08:20 +0100
1077 <br>From: Petter Reinholdtsen &lt;pere (at) hungry.com&gt;
1078 <br>To: postkasse (at) datatilsynet.no
1079 <br>Subject: Er overvåkningskameraet korrekt registrert?</p>
1080
1081 <p>Hei.</p>
1082
1083 <p>I Nydalen i Oslo er det mange overvåkningskamera, og et av dem er
1084 spesielt merkelig plassert like over et kumlokk.  Jeg lurer på om
1085 dette kameraet er korrekt registrert og i henhold til lovverket.</p>
1086
1087 <p>Finner ingen eierinformasjon på kameraet, og dermed heller ingenting å
1088 søke på i &lt;URL:
1089 <a href="http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_search.pl">http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_search.pl</a> &gt;.
1090 Kartreferanse for kameraet er tilgjengelig fra
1091 &lt;URL:
1092 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/?zoom=17&lat=59.94918&lon=10.76962&layers=B0T">http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/?zoom=17&lat=59.94918&lon=10.76962&layers=B0T</a> &gt;.
1093
1094 <p>Kan dere fortelle meg om dette kameraet er registrert hos
1095 Datatilsynet som det skal være i henhold til lovverket?</p>
1096
1097 <p>Det hadde forresten vært fint om rådata fra kameraregisteret var
1098 tilgjengelig på web og regelmessig oppdatert, for å kunne søke på
1099 andre ting enn organisasjonsnavn og -nummer ved å laste det ned og
1100 gjøre egne søk.</p>
1101
1102 <p>Vennlig hilsen,
1103 <br>--
1104 <br>Petter Reinholdtsen
1105 </blockquote></p>
1106
1107 <p>Her er svaret som kom dagen etter:</p>
1108
1109 <p><blockquote>
1110 <p>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:44:09 +0100
1111 <br>From: "juridisk" &lt;juridisk (at) Datatilsynet.no&gt;
1112 <br>To: Petter Reinholdtsen
1113 <br>Subject: VS: Er overvåkningskameraet korrekt registrert?
1114
1115 <p>Viser til e-post av 2. november.
1116
1117 <p>Datatilsynet er det forvaltningsorganet som skal kontrollere at
1118 personopplysningsloven blir fulgt. Formålet med loven er å verne
1119 enkeltpersoner mot krenking av personvernet gjennom behandling av
1120 personopplysninger.</p>
1121
1122 <p>Juridisk veiledningstjeneste hos Datatilsynet gir råd og veiledning
1123 omkring personopplysningslovens regler på generelt grunnlag.</p>
1124
1125 <p>Datatilsynet har dessverre ikke en fullstendig oversikt over alle
1126 kameraer, den oversikten som finner er i vår meldingsdatabase som du
1127 finner her:
1128 <a href="http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____211.aspx">http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____211.aspx</a></p>
1129
1130 <p>Denne databasen gir en oversikt over virksomheter som har meldt inn
1131 kameraovervåkning. Dersom man ikek vet hvilken virksomhet som er
1132 ansvarlig, er det heller ikke mulig for Datatilsynet å søke dette
1133 opp.</p>
1134
1135 <p>Webkameraer som har så dårlig oppløsning at man ikke kan gjenkjenne
1136 enkeltpersoner er ikke meldepliktige, da dette ikke anses som
1137 kameraovervåkning i personopplysningslovens forstand. Dersom kameraet
1138 du sikter til er et slikt webkamera, vil det kanskje ikke finnes i
1139 meldingsdatabasen på grunn av dette.  Også dersom et kamera med god
1140 oppløsning ikke filmer mennesker, faller det utenfor loven.</p>
1141
1142 <p>Datatilsynet har laget en veileder som gjennomgår når det er lov å
1143 overvåke med kamera, se lenke:
1144 <a href="http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____401.aspx">http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____401.aspx</a></p>
1145
1146 <p>Dersom det ikke er klart hvem som er ansvarlig for kameraet, er det
1147 vanskelig for Datatilsynet å ta kontakt med den ansvarlige for å få
1148 avklart om kameraet er satt opp i tråd med tilsynets regelverk. Dersom
1149 du mener at kameraet ikke er lovlig ut fra informasjonen ovenfor, kan
1150 kameraet anmeldes til politiet.</p>
1151
1152 <p>Med vennlig hilsen</p>
1153
1154 <p>Maria Bakke
1155 <br>Juridisk veiledningstjeneste
1156 <br>Datatilsynet</p>
1157 </blockquote></p>
1158
1159 <p>Personlig synes jeg det bør være krav om å registrere hvert eneste
1160 overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom hos Datatilsynet, med
1161 kartreferanse og begrunnelse om hvorfor det er satt opp, slik at
1162 enhver borger enkelt kan hente ut kart over områder vi er interessert
1163 i og sjekke om det er overvåkningskamera der som er satt opp uten å
1164 være registert.  Slike registreringer skal jo i dag fornyes
1165 regelmessing, noe jeg mistenker ikke blir gjort.  Dermed kan kamera
1166 som en gang var korrekt registrert nå være ulovlig satt opp.  Det
1167 burde også være bøter for å ha kamera som ikke er korrekt registrert,
1168 slik at en ikke kan ignorere registrering uten at det får
1169 konsekvenser.</p>
1170
1171 <p>En ide fra England som jeg har sans (lite annet jeg har sans for
1172 når det gjelder overvåkningskamera i England) for er at enhver borger
1173 kan be om å få kopi av det som er tatt opp med et overvåkningskamera i
1174 det offentlige rom, noe som gjør at det kan komme løpende utgifter ved
1175 å sette overvåkningskamera.  Jeg tror alt som gjør det mindre
1176 attraktivt å ha overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom er en god
1177 ting, så et slikt lovverk i Norge tror jeg hadde vært nyttig.</p>
1178 </div>
1179   <div class="tags">
1180
1181
1182
1183    Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>.
1184
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1198 <ul>
1199
1200 <li>2010
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1202
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1204
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1206
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1220
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1222
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1224
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1226
1227 <li>2009
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1229
1230 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2009/01/">January (8)</a></li>
1231
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1233
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1235
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1237
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1241
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1243
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1245
1246 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2009/09/">September (1)</a></li>
1247
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1249
1250 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2009/11/">November (3)</a></li>
1251
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1253
1254 </ul></li>
1255
1256 <li>2008
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1258
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1260
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1262
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1264
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1266
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