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15 <a href=
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23 <div class=
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24 <div class=
"date">11th December
2010</div>
25 <div class=
"body"><p>As I continue to explore
26 <a href=
"http://www.bitcoin.org/">BitCoin
</a>, I've starting to wonder
27 what properties the system have, and how it will be affected by laws
28 and regulations here in Norway. Here are some random notes.
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30 <p>One interesting thing to note is that since the transactions are
31 verified using a peer to peer network, all details about a transaction
32 is known to everyone. This means that if a BitCoin address has been
33 published like I did with mine in my initial post about BitCoin, it is
34 possible for everyone to see how many BitCoins have been transfered to
35 that address. There is even a web service to look at the details for
36 all transactions. There I can see that my address
37 <a href=
"http://blockexplorer.com/address/15oWEoG9dUPovwmUL9KWAnYRtNJEkP1u1b">15oWEoG9dUPovwmUL9KWAnYRtNJEkP1u1b
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38 have received
16.06 Bitcoin, the
39 <a href=
"http://blockexplorer.com/address/1LfdGnGuWkpSJgbQySxxCWhv8MHqvwst3">1LfdGnGuWkpSJgbQySxxCWhv
8MHqvwst
3</a>
40 address of Simon Phipps have received
181.97 BitCoin and the address
41 <a href=
"http://blockexplorer.com/address/1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt">1MCwBbhNGp5hRm5rC1Aims2YFRe2SXPYKt
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42 of EFF have received
2447.38 BitCoins so far. Thank you to each and
43 every one of you that donated bitcoins to support my activity. The
44 fact that anyone can see how much money was transfered to a given
45 address make it more obvious why the BitCoin community recommend to
46 generate and hand out a new address for each transaction. I'm told
47 there is no way to track which addresses belong to a given person or
48 organisation without the person or organisation revealing it
49 themselves, as Simon, EFF and I have done.
</p>
51 <p>In Norway, and in most other countries, there are laws and
52 regulations limiting how much money one can transfer across the border
53 without declaring it. There are money laundering, tax and accounting
54 laws and regulations I would expect to apply to the use of BitCoin.
55 If the Skolelinux foundation
56 (
<a href=
"http://linuxiskolen.no/slxdebianlabs/donations.html">SLX
57 Debian Labs
</a>) were to accept donations in BitCoin in addition to
58 normal bank transfers like EFF is doing, how should this be accounted?
59 Given that it is impossible to know if money can cross the border or
60 not, should everything or nothing be declared? What exchange rate
61 should be used when calculating taxes? Would receivers have to pay
62 income tax if the foundation were to pay Skolelinux contributors in
63 BitCoin? I have no idea, but it would be interesting to know.
</p>
65 <p>For a currency to be useful and successful, it must be trusted and
66 accepted by a lot of users. It must be possible to get easy access to
67 the currency (as a wage or using currency exchanges), and it must be
68 easy to spend it. At the moment BitCoin seem fairly easy to get
69 access to, but there are very few places to spend it. I am not really
70 a regular user of any of the vendor types currently accepting BitCoin,
71 so I wonder when my kind of shop would start accepting BitCoins. I
72 would like to buy electronics, travels and subway tickets, not herbs
73 and books. :) The currency is young, and this will improve over time
74 if it become popular, but I suspect regular banks will start to lobby
75 to get BitCoin declared illegal if it become popular. I'm sure they
76 will claim it is helping fund terrorism and money laundering (which
77 probably would be true, as is any currency in existence), but I
78 believe the problems should be solved elsewhere and not by blaming
81 <p>The process of creating new BitCoins is called mining, and it is
82 CPU intensive process that depend on a bit of luck as well (as one is
83 competing against all the other miners currently spending CPU cycles
84 to see which one get the next lump of cash). The "winner" get
50
85 BitCoin when this happen. Yesterday I came across the obvious way to
86 join forces to increase ones changes of getting at least some coins,
87 by coordinating the work on mining BitCoins across several machines
88 and people, and sharing the result if one is lucky and get the
50
90 <a href=
"http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/bitcoin-pool/">BitCoin Pool
</a>
91 if this sounds interesting. I have not had time to try to set up a
92 machine to participate there yet, but have seen that running on ones
93 own for a few days have not yield any BitCoins througth mining
96 <p>Update
2010-
12-
15: Found an
<a
97 href=
"http://inertia.posterous.com/reply-to-the-underground-economist-why-bitcoi">interesting
98 criticism
</a> of bitcoin. Not quite sure how valid it is, but thought
99 it was interesting to read. The arguments presented seem to be
100 equally valid for gold, which was used as a currency for many years.
</p>
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20)
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20)
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42)
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4)
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2)
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13)
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2)
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11)
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523 <li><a href=
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3)
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525 <li><a href=
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2)
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533 <li><a href=
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55)
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535 <li><a href=
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"http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/skepsis">skepsis (
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539 <li><a href=
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62)
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541 <li><a href=
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6)
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543 <li><a href=
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12)
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545 <li><a href=
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55)
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547 <li><a href=
"http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sysadmin">sysadmin (
4)
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549 <li><a href=
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2)
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551 <li><a href=
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9)
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553 <li><a href=
"http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/verkidetfri">verkidetfri (
15)
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555 <li><a href=
"http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/video">video (
73)
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557 <li><a href=
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4)
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559 <li><a href=
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42)
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