X-Git-Url: https://pere.pagekite.me/gitweb/homepage.git/blobdiff_plain/525c8f4d5fe33e5fec2c764cf123c4b2fffeba52..a0a971f55f61855eb0b27b68176b325f2a65995f:/blog/archive/2011/07/07.rss diff --git a/blog/archive/2011/07/07.rss b/blog/archive/2011/07/07.rss index 19e9f16b8b..8cbf224434 100644 --- a/blog/archive/2011/07/07.rss +++ b/blog/archive/2011/07/07.rss @@ -7,128 +7,123 @@ - Voteringsdata fra stortinget på plass, mye igjen - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Voteringsdata_fra_stortinget_p__plass__mye_igjen.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Voteringsdata_fra_stortinget_p__plass__mye_igjen.html - Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:10:00 +0200 - <p>Arbeidet med et nettsted som viser frem hva hver enkelt av våre -folkevalgte har stemt går sakte fremover. Det har gått to måneder -siden -<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Hvem_stemte_hva_p__Stortinget_.html">jeg -skrev om prosjektet</a>. Siden sist har vi fått kontakt med -organisasjonen <a href="http://www.holderdeord.no">Holder De Ord</a> -som holder på med et lignende prosjekt, samt fått tilgang til endel -voteringsinformasjon fra Stortinget.</p> + What should start from /etc/rcS.d/ in Debian? - almost nothing + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/What_should_start_from__etc_rcS_d__in_Debian____almost_nothing.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/What_should_start_from__etc_rcS_d__in_Debian____almost_nothing.html + Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:00:00 +0200 + <p>In the Debian boot system, several packages include scripts that +are started from /etc/rcS.d/. In fact, there is a bite more of them +than make sense, and this causes a few problems. What kind of +problems, you might ask. There are at least two problems. The first +is that it is not possible to recover a machine after switching to +runlevel 1. One need to actually reboot to get the machine back to +the expected state. The other is that single user boot will sometimes +run into problems because some of the subsystems are activated before +the root login is presented, causing problems when trying to recover a +machine from a problem in that subsystem. A minor additional point is +that moving more scripts out of rcS.d/ and into the other rc#.d/ +directories will increase the amount of scripts that can run in +parallel during boot, and thus decrease the boot time.</p> -<p>Har fått tilgang til to datasett fra Stortinget. Det ene er en CD -med voteringsdetaljer mellom 1990 og 2009, det andre er tilgang til -stortingets kommende data-API der en kan hente ut informasjon om -representanter, saker og voteringer. Jeg har ikke rukket se nok på -noen av dem til å laste dem inn i min prototype, men jeg håper begge -datasettene kan brukes.</p> +<p>So, which scripts should start from rcS.d/. In short, only the +scripts that _have_ to execute before the root login prompt is +presented during a single user boot should go there. Everything else +should go into the numeric runlevels. This means things like +lm-sensors, fuse and x11-common should not run from rcS.d, but from +the numeric runlevels. Today in Debian, there are around 115 init.d +scripts that are started from rcS.d/, and most of them should be moved +out. Do your package have one of them? Please help us make single +user and runlevel 1 better by moving it.</p> -<p>Det første datasettet er kopiert og publisert -<a href="http://www.nuug.no/pub/stortingsinnsyn/">på NUUGs -filtjener</a>, og består av to filer pr. votering. En fil med -tidspunkt og hver enkelt stemme, og en annen med hvem som stemte og -hvilket parti og fylke de representerte. Tegnsettet er så vidt jeg -kan se Codepage 865, og jeg håper det er enkelt å koble sammen person -og stemme. Har ikke rukket forsøke dette ennå. Jeg tror en god -strategi her er å parse råfilene fra Stortinget og sammenstille dem -med databasen over representanter, og ved hjelp av denne koble de -unike ID-ene til representantene med hver enkelt stemme og publisere -resultatet i XML-format. Antar det er en par dagers programmering, -men har ikke funnet tid til det.</p> +<p>Scripts setting up the screen, keyboard, system partitions +etc. should still be started from rcS.d/, but there is for example no +need to have the network enabled before the single user login prompt +is presented.</p> -<p>Hvis du vil bidra, ta kontakt med meg på IRC (#nuug på -irc.freenode.net) eller bli med på epostlisten -<a href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/aktive">aktive@nuug</a>. -Det trengs både manne-timer for skraping og finansiering av -utviklingstimer for å en norsk portal på plass.</p> - - - - - Bombing og skyting - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Bombing_og_skyting.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Bombing_og_skyting.html - Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:55:00 +0200 - <p>I dag har det blitt bombet i regjeringskvartalet og skutt på AUFs -sommerleir. Hvem kan stå bak? Hvem har fordeler av at dette har -skjedd? Jeg håper de kriminelle som står bak blir funnet og straffet, -og at dette blir gjort på et måte som gjør at demokrati, de mistenktes -borgerrettigheter og samfunnets anstendighet blir ivaretatt. Jeg -frykter dog at moralpanikk vil føre til at våre alles -borgerrettigheter og det norske demokratiet blir skadelidende. Vi får -se. Vi bør i passe oss for å gjøre det såkalte terrorister ønsker, -dvs. å gjøre samfunnet vårt verre for innbyggerne.</p> +<p>As always, things are not so easy to fix as they sound. To keep +Debian systems working while scripts migrate and during upgrades, the +scripts need to be moved from rcS.d/ to rc2.d/ in reverse dependency +order, ie the scripts that nothing in rcS.d/ depend on can be moved, +and the next ones can only be moved when their dependencies have been +moved first. This migration must be done sequentially while we ensure +that the package system upgrade packages in the right order to keep +the system state correct. This will require some coordination when it +comes to network related packages, but most of the packages with +scripts that should migrate do not have anything in rcS.d/ depending +on them. Some packages have already been updated, like the sudo +package, while others are still left to do. I wish I had time to work +on this myself, but real live constrains make it unlikely that I will +find time to push this forward.</p> - Overvåkningslogikkens fallitt - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Overv_kningslogikkens_fallitt.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Overv_kningslogikkens_fallitt.html - Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:45:00 +0200 - <p>Det er vanskelig å få gjort noe fornuftig i dag, etter gårdagens -tragiske hendelse. Tankene går til de som har mistet sine nærmeste. -Jeg kan ikke forstille meg hvor tungt de har det nå, og jeg håper alle -jeg kjenner har klart seg.</p> + What is missing in the Debian desktop, or why my parents use Kubuntu + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/What_is_missing_in_the_Debian_desktop__or_why_my_parents_use_Kubuntu.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/What_is_missing_in_the_Debian_desktop__or_why_my_parents_use_Kubuntu.html + Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:10:00 +0200 + <p>While at Debconf11, I have several times during discussions +mentioned the issues I believe should be improved in Debian for its +desktop to be useful for more people. The use case for this is my +parents, which are currently running Kubuntu which solve the +issues.</p> -<p>Jeg undres på hva motivasjonen til de som står bak kan være? Jeg -tror en må være ganske desperat for å ty til slike midler, og oppleve -at alle andre påvirkningsmuligheter er blokkert. Mon tro om -Stortingets totalitære vedtak 4. april i år om å lovfeste massiv -overvåkning av hele befolkningen bidro? Jeg undres også på om at -gårdagens bombing og massedrap er resultat av de fremmedfiendtlige -holdninger som har spredt seg i Norge i mange år, kombinert med -Stortingets og regjeringens villighet til å forlate de verdier som -vårt liberale demokrati er tuftet på (ved å legge opp til registrering -og overvåkning av borgere som _ikke_ er mistenkt for noe -kriminelt).</p> +<p>I suspect these four missing features are not very hard to +implement. After all, they are present in Ubuntu, so if we wanted to +do this in Debian we would have a source.</p> -<p>En ting er ganske klart, dog. Massiv kameraovervåkning bidrar ikke -til å hindre slik grotesk kriminalitet. Regjeringskvartalet er et av -de mest kameraovervåkede områdene i Oslo, og hindret ikke at -sprengingen fant sted. Registrering av posisjonen til alle -mobiltelefoner som politiet har hatt tilgang til i flere år nå ser -ikke ut til å ha hjulpet det heller. De som tror at massiv -kommunikasjonskontroll av hele befolkningen vil hindre ekstremister i -å skade oss i Norge tror jeg tar feil. Til det tror jeg det må mer -åpenhet, mindre kontroll og mer tillit til hver enkelt innbygger, da -jeg tror bidrar til å holde ekstreme holdninger i sjakk.</p> - - - - - Perl modules used by FixMyStreet which are missing in Debian/Squeeze - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Perl_modules_used_by_FixMyStreet_which_are_missing_in_Debian_Squeeze.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Perl_modules_used_by_FixMyStreet_which_are_missing_in_Debian_Squeeze.html - Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:25:00 +0200 - <p>The Norwegian <a href="http://www.fiksgatami.no/">FiksGataMi</A> -site is build on Debian/Squeeze, and this platform was chosen because -I am most familiar with Debian (being a Debian Developer for around 10 -years) because it is the latest stable Debian release which should get -security support for a few years.</p> +<ol> -<p>The web service is written in Perl, and depend on some perl modules -that are missing in Debian at the moment. It would be great if these -modules were added to the Debian archive, allowing anyone to set up -their own <a href="http://www.fixmystreet.com">FixMyStreet</a> clone -in their own country using only Debian packages. The list of modules -missing in Debian/Squeeze isn't very long, and I hope the perl group -will find time to package the 12 modules Catalyst::Plugin::SmartURI, -Catalyst::Plugin::Unicode::Encoding, Catalyst::View::TT, Devel::Hide, -Sort::Key, Statistics::Distributions, Template::Plugin::Comma, -Template::Plugin::DateTime::Format, Term::Size::Any, Term::Size::Perl, -URI::SmartURI and Web::Scraper to make the maintenance of FixMyStreet -easier in the future.</p> +<li><strong>Simple GUI based upgrade of packages.</strong> When there +are new packages available for upgrades, a icon in the KDE status bar +indicate this, and clicking on it will activate the simple upgrade +tool to handle it. I have no problem guiding both of my parents +through the process over the phone. If a kernel reboot is required, +this too is indicated by the status bars and the upgrade tool. Last +time I checked, nothing with the same features was working in KDE in +Debian.</li> -<p>Thanks to the great tools in Debian, getting the missing modules -installed on my server was a simple call to 'cpan2deb Module::Name' -and 'dpkg -i' to install the resulting package. But this leave me -with the responsibility of tracking security problems, which I really -do not have time for.</p> +<li><strong>Simple handling of missing Firefox browser +plugins.</strong> When the browser encounter a MIME type it do not +currently have a handler for, it will ask the user if the system +should search for a package that would add support for this MIME type, +and if the user say yes, the APT sources will be searched for packages +advertising the MIME type in their control file (visible in the +Packages file in the APT archive). If one or more packages are found, +it is a simple click of the mouse to add support for the missing mime +type. If the package require the user to accept some non-free +license, this is explained to the user. The entire process make it +more clear to the user why something do not work in the browser, and +make the chances higher for the user to blame the web page authors and +not the browser for any missing features.</li> + +<li><strong>Simple handling of missing multimedia codec/format +handlers.</strong> When the media players encounter a format or codec +it is not supporting, a dialog pop up asking the user if the system +should search for a package that would add support for it. This +happen with things like MP3, Windows Media or H.264. The selection +and installation procedure is very similar to the Firefox browser +plugin handling. This is as far as I know implemented using a +gstreamer hook. The end result is that the user easily get access to +the codecs that are present from the APT archives available, while +explaining more on why a given format is unsupported by Ubuntu.</li> + +<li><strong>Better browser handling of some MIME types.</strong> When +displaying a text/plain file in my Debian browser, it will propose to +start emacs to show it. If I remember correctly, when doing the same +in Kunbutu it show the file as a text file in the browser. At least I +know Opera will show text files within the browser. I much prefer the +latter behaviour.</li> + +</ol> + +<p>There are other nice features as well, like the simplified suite +upgrader, but given that I am the one mostly doing the dist-upgrade, +it do not matter much.</p> + +<p>I really hope we could get these features in place for the next +Debian release. It would require the coordinated effort of several +maintainers, but would make the end user experience a lot better.</p> @@ -256,123 +251,128 @@ sidelinjen.</p> - What is missing in the Debian desktop, or why my parents use Kubuntu - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/What_is_missing_in_the_Debian_desktop__or_why_my_parents_use_Kubuntu.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/What_is_missing_in_the_Debian_desktop__or_why_my_parents_use_Kubuntu.html - Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:10:00 +0200 - <p>While at Debconf11, I have several times during discussions -mentioned the issues I believe should be improved in Debian for its -desktop to be useful for more people. The use case for this is my -parents, which are currently running Kubuntu which solve the -issues.</p> - -<p>I suspect these four missing features are not very hard to -implement. After all, they are present in Ubuntu, so if we wanted to -do this in Debian we would have a source.</p> - -<ol> - -<li><strong>Simple GUI based upgrade of packages.</strong> When there -are new packages available for upgrades, a icon in the KDE status bar -indicate this, and clicking on it will activate the simple upgrade -tool to handle it. I have no problem guiding both of my parents -through the process over the phone. If a kernel reboot is required, -this too is indicated by the status bars and the upgrade tool. Last -time I checked, nothing with the same features was working in KDE in -Debian.</li> - -<li><strong>Simple handling of missing Firefox browser -plugins.</strong> When the browser encounter a MIME type it do not -currently have a handler for, it will ask the user if the system -should search for a package that would add support for this MIME type, -and if the user say yes, the APT sources will be searched for packages -advertising the MIME type in their control file (visible in the -Packages file in the APT archive). If one or more packages are found, -it is a simple click of the mouse to add support for the missing mime -type. If the package require the user to accept some non-free -license, this is explained to the user. The entire process make it -more clear to the user why something do not work in the browser, and -make the chances higher for the user to blame the web page authors and -not the browser for any missing features.</li> - -<li><strong>Simple handling of missing multimedia codec/format -handlers.</strong> When the media players encounter a format or codec -it is not supporting, a dialog pop up asking the user if the system -should search for a package that would add support for it. This -happen with things like MP3, Windows Media or H.264. The selection -and installation procedure is very similar to the Firefox browser -plugin handling. This is as far as I know implemented using a -gstreamer hook. The end result is that the user easily get access to -the codecs that are present from the APT archives available, while -explaining more on why a given format is unsupported by Ubuntu.</li> + Perl modules used by FixMyStreet which are missing in Debian/Squeeze + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Perl_modules_used_by_FixMyStreet_which_are_missing_in_Debian_Squeeze.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Perl_modules_used_by_FixMyStreet_which_are_missing_in_Debian_Squeeze.html + Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:25:00 +0200 + <p>The Norwegian <a href="http://www.fiksgatami.no/">FiksGataMi</A> +site is build on Debian/Squeeze, and this platform was chosen because +I am most familiar with Debian (being a Debian Developer for around 10 +years) because it is the latest stable Debian release which should get +security support for a few years.</p> -<li><strong>Better browser handling of some MIME types.</strong> When -displaying a text/plain file in my Debian browser, it will propose to -start emacs to show it. If I remember correctly, when doing the same -in Kunbutu it show the file as a text file in the browser. At least I -know Opera will show text files within the browser. I much prefer the -latter behaviour.</li> +<p>The web service is written in Perl, and depend on some perl modules +that are missing in Debian at the moment. It would be great if these +modules were added to the Debian archive, allowing anyone to set up +their own <a href="http://www.fixmystreet.com">FixMyStreet</a> clone +in their own country using only Debian packages. The list of modules +missing in Debian/Squeeze isn't very long, and I hope the perl group +will find time to package the 12 modules Catalyst::Plugin::SmartURI, +Catalyst::Plugin::Unicode::Encoding, Catalyst::View::TT, Devel::Hide, +Sort::Key, Statistics::Distributions, Template::Plugin::Comma, +Template::Plugin::DateTime::Format, Term::Size::Any, Term::Size::Perl, +URI::SmartURI and Web::Scraper to make the maintenance of FixMyStreet +easier in the future.</p> -</ol> +<p>Thanks to the great tools in Debian, getting the missing modules +installed on my server was a simple call to 'cpan2deb Module::Name' +and 'dpkg -i' to install the resulting package. But this leave me +with the responsibility of tracking security problems, which I really +do not have time for.</p> + + + + + Overvåkningslogikkens fallitt + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Overv_kningslogikkens_fallitt.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Overv_kningslogikkens_fallitt.html + Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:45:00 +0200 + <p>Det er vanskelig å få gjort noe fornuftig i dag, etter gårdagens +tragiske hendelse. Tankene går til de som har mistet sine nærmeste. +Jeg kan ikke forstille meg hvor tungt de har det nå, og jeg håper alle +jeg kjenner har klart seg.</p> -<p>There are other nice features as well, like the simplified suite -upgrader, but given that I am the one mostly doing the dist-upgrade, -it do not matter much.</p> +<p>Jeg undres på hva motivasjonen til de som står bak kan være? Jeg +tror en må være ganske desperat for å ty til slike midler, og oppleve +at alle andre påvirkningsmuligheter er blokkert. Mon tro om +Stortingets totalitære vedtak 4. april i år om å lovfeste massiv +overvåkning av hele befolkningen bidro? Jeg undres også på om at +gårdagens bombing og massedrap er resultat av de fremmedfiendtlige +holdninger som har spredt seg i Norge i mange år, kombinert med +Stortingets og regjeringens villighet til å forlate de verdier som +vårt liberale demokrati er tuftet på (ved å legge opp til registrering +og overvåkning av borgere som _ikke_ er mistenkt for noe +kriminelt).</p> -<p>I really hope we could get these features in place for the next -Debian release. It would require the coordinated effort of several -maintainers, but would make the end user experience a lot better.</p> +<p>En ting er ganske klart, dog. Massiv kameraovervåkning bidrar ikke +til å hindre slik grotesk kriminalitet. Regjeringskvartalet er et av +de mest kameraovervåkede områdene i Oslo, og hindret ikke at +sprengingen fant sted. Registrering av posisjonen til alle +mobiltelefoner som politiet har hatt tilgang til i flere år nå ser +ikke ut til å ha hjulpet det heller. De som tror at massiv +kommunikasjonskontroll av hele befolkningen vil hindre ekstremister i +å skade oss i Norge tror jeg tar feil. Til det tror jeg det må mer +åpenhet, mindre kontroll og mer tillit til hver enkelt innbygger, da +jeg tror bidrar til å holde ekstreme holdninger i sjakk.</p> - What should start from /etc/rcS.d/ in Debian? - almost nothing - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/What_should_start_from__etc_rcS_d__in_Debian____almost_nothing.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/What_should_start_from__etc_rcS_d__in_Debian____almost_nothing.html - Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:00:00 +0200 - <p>In the Debian boot system, several packages include scripts that -are started from /etc/rcS.d/. In fact, there is a bite more of them -than make sense, and this causes a few problems. What kind of -problems, you might ask. There are at least two problems. The first -is that it is not possible to recover a machine after switching to -runlevel 1. One need to actually reboot to get the machine back to -the expected state. The other is that single user boot will sometimes -run into problems because some of the subsystems are activated before -the root login is presented, causing problems when trying to recover a -machine from a problem in that subsystem. A minor additional point is -that moving more scripts out of rcS.d/ and into the other rc#.d/ -directories will increase the amount of scripts that can run in -parallel during boot, and thus decrease the boot time.</p> + Bombing og skyting + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Bombing_og_skyting.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Bombing_og_skyting.html + Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:55:00 +0200 + <p>I dag har det blitt bombet i regjeringskvartalet og skutt på AUFs +sommerleir. Hvem kan stå bak? Hvem har fordeler av at dette har +skjedd? Jeg håper de kriminelle som står bak blir funnet og straffet, +og at dette blir gjort på et måte som gjør at demokrati, de mistenktes +borgerrettigheter og samfunnets anstendighet blir ivaretatt. Jeg +frykter dog at moralpanikk vil føre til at våre alles +borgerrettigheter og det norske demokratiet blir skadelidende. Vi får +se. Vi bør i passe oss for å gjøre det såkalte terrorister ønsker, +dvs. å gjøre samfunnet vårt verre for innbyggerne.</p> + + + + + Voteringsdata fra stortinget på plass, mye igjen + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Voteringsdata_fra_stortinget_p__plass__mye_igjen.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Voteringsdata_fra_stortinget_p__plass__mye_igjen.html + Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:10:00 +0200 + <p>Arbeidet med et nettsted som viser frem hva hver enkelt av våre +folkevalgte har stemt går sakte fremover. Det har gått to måneder +siden +<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Hvem_stemte_hva_p__Stortinget_.html">jeg +skrev om prosjektet</a>. Siden sist har vi fått kontakt med +organisasjonen <a href="http://www.holderdeord.no">Holder De Ord</a> +som holder på med et lignende prosjekt, samt fått tilgang til endel +voteringsinformasjon fra Stortinget.</p> -<p>So, which scripts should start from rcS.d/. In short, only the -scripts that _have_ to execute before the root login prompt is -presented during a single user boot should go there. Everything else -should go into the numeric runlevels. This means things like -lm-sensors, fuse and x11-common should not run from rcS.d, but from -the numeric runlevels. Today in Debian, there are around 115 init.d -scripts that are started from rcS.d/, and most of them should be moved -out. Do your package have one of them? Please help us make single -user and runlevel 1 better by moving it.</p> +<p>Har fått tilgang til to datasett fra Stortinget. Det ene er en CD +med voteringsdetaljer mellom 1990 og 2009, det andre er tilgang til +stortingets kommende data-API der en kan hente ut informasjon om +representanter, saker og voteringer. Jeg har ikke rukket se nok på +noen av dem til å laste dem inn i min prototype, men jeg håper begge +datasettene kan brukes.</p> -<p>Scripts setting up the screen, keyboard, system partitions -etc. should still be started from rcS.d/, but there is for example no -need to have the network enabled before the single user login prompt -is presented.</p> +<p>Det første datasettet er kopiert og publisert +<a href="http://www.nuug.no/pub/stortingsinnsyn/">på NUUGs +filtjener</a>, og består av to filer pr. votering. En fil med +tidspunkt og hver enkelt stemme, og en annen med hvem som stemte og +hvilket parti og fylke de representerte. Tegnsettet er så vidt jeg +kan se Codepage 865, og jeg håper det er enkelt å koble sammen person +og stemme. Har ikke rukket forsøke dette ennå. Jeg tror en god +strategi her er å parse råfilene fra Stortinget og sammenstille dem +med databasen over representanter, og ved hjelp av denne koble de +unike ID-ene til representantene med hver enkelt stemme og publisere +resultatet i XML-format. Antar det er en par dagers programmering, +men har ikke funnet tid til det.</p> -<p>As always, things are not so easy to fix as they sound. To keep -Debian systems working while scripts migrate and during upgrades, the -scripts need to be moved from rcS.d/ to rc2.d/ in reverse dependency -order, ie the scripts that nothing in rcS.d/ depend on can be moved, -and the next ones can only be moved when their dependencies have been -moved first. This migration must be done sequentially while we ensure -that the package system upgrade packages in the right order to keep -the system state correct. This will require some coordination when it -comes to network related packages, but most of the packages with -scripts that should migrate do not have anything in rcS.d/ depending -on them. Some packages have already been updated, like the sudo -package, while others are still left to do. I wish I had time to work -on this myself, but real live constrains make it unlikely that I will -find time to push this forward.</p> +<p>Hvis du vil bidra, ta kontakt med meg på IRC (#nuug på +irc.freenode.net) eller bli med på epostlisten +<a href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/aktive">aktive@nuug</a>. +Det trengs både manne-timer for skraping og finansiering av +utviklingstimer for å en norsk portal på plass.</p>