<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/KDM_fail_at_boot_with_NVidia_cards___and_no_one_try_to_fix_it_.html">KDM fail at boot with NVidia cards - and no one try to fix it?</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/LUMA__a_very_nice_LDAP_GUI.html">LUMA, a very nice LDAP GUI</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 1st June 2010
+ 28th June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>It is strange to watch how a bug in Debian causing KDM to fail to
-start at boot when an NVidia video card is used is handled. The
-problem seem to be that the nvidia X.org driver uses a long time to
-initialize, and this duration is longer than kdm is configured to
-wait.</p>
+ <p>The last few days I have been looking into the status of the LDAP
+directory in Debian Edu, and in the process I started to miss a GUI
+tool to browse the LDAP tree. The only one I was able to find in
+Debian/Squeeze and Lenny is
+<a href="http://luma.sourceforge.net/">LUMA</a>, which has proved to
+be a great tool to get a overview of the current LDAP directory
+populated by default in Skolelinux. Thanks to it, I have been able to
+find empty and obsolete subtrees, misplaced objects and duplicate
+objects. It will be installed by default in Debian/Squeeze. If you
+are working with LDAP, give it a go. :)</p>
-<p>I came across two bugs related to this issue,
-<a href="http://bugs.debian.org/583312">#583312</a> initially filed
-against initscripts and passed on to nvidia-glx when it became obvious
-that the nvidia drivers were involved, and
-<a href="http://bugs.debian.org/524751">#524751</a> initially filed against
-kdm and passed on to src:nvidia-graphics-drivers for unknown reasons.</p>
+<p>I did notice one problem with it I have not had time to report to
+the BTS yet. There is no .desktop file in the package, so the tool do
+not show up in the Gnome and KDE menus, but only deep down in in the
+Debian submenu in KDE. I hope that can be fixed before Squeeze is
+released.</p>
-<p>To me, it seem that no-one is interested in actually solving the
-problem nvidia video card owners experience and make sure the Debian
-distribution work out of the box for these users. The nvidia driver
-maintainers expect kdm to be set up to wait longer, while kdm expect
-the nvidia driver maintainers to fix the driver to start faster, and
-while they wait for each other I guess the users end up switching to a
-distribution that work for them. I have no idea what the solution is,
-but I am pretty sure that waiting for each other is not it.</p>
+<p>I have not yet been able to get it to modify the tree yet. I would
+like to move objects and remove subtrees directly in the GUI, but have
+not found a way to do that with LUMA yet. So in the mean time, I use
+<a href="http://www.lichteblau.com/ldapvi/">ldapvi</a> for that.</p>
-<p>I wonder why we end up handling bugs this way.</p>
+<p>If you have tips on other GUI tools for LDAP that might be useful
+in Debian Edu, please contact us on debian-edu@lists.debian.org.</p>
+
+<p>Update 2010-06-29: Ross Reedstrom tipped us about the
+<a href="http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gq.html">gq</a> package as a
+useful GUI alternative. It seem like a good tool, but is unmaintained
+in Debian and got a RC bug keeping it out of Squeeze. Unless that
+changes, it will not be an option for Debian Edu based on Squeeze.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bootsystem">bootsystem</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/ldap">ldap</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Togsatsing_p__norsk__mot_sykkel.html">Togsatsing på norsk, mot sykkel</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Idea_for_a_change_to_LDAP_schemas_allowing_DNS_and_DHCP_info_to_be_combined_into_one_object.html">Idea for a change to LDAP schemas allowing DNS and DHCP info to be combined into one object</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 2nd June 2010
+ 24th June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>Det står dårlig til med toget når en finner på å la det
-<a href="http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3677060.ece">kappkjøre
-med sykkel</a>... Jeg tror det trengs strukturendringer for å få
-fikset på togproblemene i Norge.</p>
+ <p>A while back, I
+<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Time_for_new__LDAP_schemas_replacing_RFC_2307_.html">complained
+about the fact</a> that it is not possible with the provided schemas
+for storing DNS and DHCP information in LDAP to combine the two sets
+of information into one LDAP object representing a computer.</p>
-<p>Mon tro hva toglinje mellom Narvik og Tromsø ville hatt slags
-effekt på området der?</p>
+<p>In the mean time, I discovered that a simple fix would be to make
+the dhcpHost object class auxiliary, to allow it to be combined with
+the dNSDomain object class, and thus forming one object for one
+computer when storing both DHCP and DNS information in LDAP.</p>
+
+<p>If I understand this correctly, it is not safe to do this change
+without also changing the assigned number for the object class, and I
+do not know enough about LDAP schema design to do that properly for
+Debian Edu.</p>
+
+<p>Anyway, for future reference, this is how I believe we could change
+the
+<a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dhc-ldap-schema-00">DHCP
+schema</a> to solve at least part of the problem with the LDAP schemas
+available today from IETF.</p>
+
+<pre>
+--- dhcp.schema (revision 65192)
++++ dhcp.schema (working copy)
+@@ -376,7 +376,7 @@
+ objectclass ( 2.16.840.1.113719.1.203.6.6
+ NAME 'dhcpHost'
+ DESC 'This represents information about a particular client'
+- SUP top
++ SUP top AUXILIARY
+ MUST cn
+ MAY (dhcpLeaseDN $ dhcpHWAddress $ dhcpOptionsDN $ dhcpStatements $ dhcpComments $ dhcpOption)
+ X-NDS_CONTAINMENT ('dhcpService' 'dhcpSubnet' 'dhcpGroup') )
+</pre>
+
+<p>I very much welcome clues on how to do this properly for Debian
+Edu/Squeeze. We provide the DHCP schema in our debian-edu-config
+package, and should thus be free to rewrite it as we see fit.</p>
+
+<p>If you want to help out with implementing this for Debian Edu,
+please contact us on debian-edu@lists.debian.org.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/ldap">ldap</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Sitesummary_tip__Listing_computer_hardware_models_used_at_site.html">Sitesummary tip: Listing computer hardware models used at site</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Calling_tasksel_like_the_installer__while_still_getting_useful_output.html">Calling tasksel like the installer, while still getting useful output</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 3rd June 2010
+ 16th June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>When using sitesummary at a site to track machines, it is possible
-to get a list of the machine types in use thanks to the DMI
-information extracted from each machine. The script to do so is
-included in the sitesummary package, and here is example output from
-the Skolelinux build servers:</p>
+ <p>A few times I have had the need to simulate the way tasksel
+installs packages during the normal debian-installer run. Until now,
+I have ended up letting tasksel do the work, with the annoying problem
+of not getting any feedback at all when something fails (like a
+conffile question from dpkg or a download that fails), using code like
+this:
<blockquote><pre>
-maintainer:~# /usr/lib/sitesummary/hardware-model-summary
- vendor count
- Dell Computer Corporation 1
- PowerEdge 1750 1
- IBM 1
- eserver xSeries 345 -[8670M1X]- 1
- Intel 2
- [no-dmi-info] 3
-maintainer:~#
+export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
+tasksel --new-install
</pre></blockquote>
-<p>The quality of the report depend on the quality of the DMI tables
-provided in each machine. Here there are Intel machines without model
-information listed with Intel as vendor and no model, and virtual Xen
-machines listed as [no-dmi-info]. One can add -l as a command line
-option to list the individual machines.</p>
+This would invoke tasksel, let its automatic task selection pick the
+tasks to install, and continue to install the requested tasks without
+any output what so ever.
-<p>A larger list is
-<a href="http://narvikskolen.no/sitesummary/">available from the the
-city of Narvik</a>, which uses Skolelinux on all their shools and also
-provide the basic sitesummary report publicly. In their report there
-are ~1400 machines. I know they use both Ubuntu and Skolelinux on
-their machines, and as sitesummary is available in both distributions,
-it is trivial to get all of them to report to the same central
-collector.</p>
+Recently I revisited this problem while working on the automatic
+package upgrade testing, because tasksel would some times hang without
+any useful feedback, and I want to see what is going on when it
+happen. Then it occured to me, I can parse the output from tasksel
+when asked to run in test mode, and use that aptitude command line
+printed by tasksel then to simulate the tasksel run. I ended up using
+code like this:
+
+<blockquote><pre>
+export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
+cmd="$(in_target tasksel -t --new-install | sed 's/debconf-apt-progress -- //')"
+$cmd
+</pre></blockquote>
+
+<p>The content of $cmd is typically something like "<tt>aptitude -q
+--without-recommends -o APT::Install-Recommends=no -y install
+~t^desktop$ ~t^gnome-desktop$ ~t^laptop$ ~pstandard ~prequired
+~pimportant</tt>", which will install the gnome desktop task, the
+laptop task and all packages with priority standard , required and
+important, just like tasksel would have done it during
+installation.</p>
+
+<p>A better approach is probably to extend tasksel to be able to
+install packages without using debconf-apt-progress, for use cases
+like this.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sitesummary">sitesummary</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/A_manual_for_standards_wars___.html">A manual for standards wars...</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Vinmonopolet_bryter_loven__penlyst___og_flere_planlegger___gj_re_det_samme.html">Vinmonopolet bryter loven åpenlyst - og flere planlegger å gjøre det samme</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 6th June 2010
+ 16th June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>Via the
-<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/robweir/antic-atom/~3/QzU4RgoAGMg/weekly-links-10.html">blog
-of Rob Weir</a> I came across the very interesting essay named
-<a href="http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/shapiro/wars.pdf">The Art of
-Standards Wars</a> (PDF 25 pages). I recommend it for everyone
-following the standards wars of today.</p>
+ <p><a href="http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/06/16/nyheter/innenriks/streik/arbeidsliv/12157858/">Dagbladet
+melder</a> at Vinmonopolet med bakgrunn i vekterstreiken som pågår i
+Norge for tiden, har bestemt seg for med vitende og vilje å bryte
+sentralbanklovens paragraf 14 ved å nekte folk å betale med
+kontanter, og at flere butikker planlegger å følge deres eksempel.
+Jeg synes det er hårreisende hvis de slipper unna med et slikt
+soleklart lovbrudd, og lurer på hva slags muligheter jeg vil ha hvis
+jeg blir nektet å handle med kontanter. Jeg handler i hovedsak med
+kontanter selv, da jeg anser det som en borgerrett å kunne handle
+anonymt uten at det blir registrert. For meg er det et angrep på mitt
+personvern å nekte å ta imot kontant betaling.</p>
+
+<p><a href="http://www.lovdata.no/all/tl-19850524-028-003.html#14">Paragrafen
+i sentralbankloven</a> lyder:</p>
+
+<blockquote>
+<p>§ 14. Tvungent betalingsmiddel</p>
+
+<p>Bankens sedler og mynter er tvungent betalingsmiddel i Norge. Ingen
+er pliktig til i én betaling å ta imot mer enn femogtyve mynter av
+hver enhet.</p>
+
+<p>Sterkt skadde sedler og mynter er ikke tvungent
+betalingsmiddel. Banken gir nærmere forskrifter om erstatning for
+bortkomne, brente eller skadde sedler og mynter.</p>
+
+<p>Selv om en avtale inneholder klausul om betaling av en
+pengeforpliktelse i gullverdi, kan skyldneren frigjøre seg med tvungne
+betalingsmidler uten hensyn til denne klausul.</p>
+</blockquote>
+
+<p>Det er med bakgrunn i denne lovet ikke tillatt å nekte å ta imot
+kontakt betaling. Det er en lov jeg har sans for, og som jeg mener må
+håndheves strengt.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/standard">standard</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Upstart_or_sysvinit___as_init_d_scripts_see_it.html">Upstart or sysvinit - as init.d scripts see it</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Officeshots_taking_shape.html">Officeshots taking shape</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 6th June 2010
+ 13th June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>If Debian is to migrate to upstart on Linux, I expect some init.d
-scripts to migrate (some of) their operations to upstart job while
-keeping the init.d for hurd and kfreebsd. The packages with such
-needs will need a way to get their init.d scripts to behave
-differently when used with sysvinit and with upstart. Because of
-this, I had a look at the environment variables set when a init.d
-script is running under upstart, and when it is not.</p>
+ <p>For those of us caring about document exchange and
+interoperability, <a href="http://www.officeshots.org/">OfficeShots</a>
+is a great service. It is to ODF documents what
+<a href="http://browsershots.org/">BrowserShots</a> is for web
+pages.</p>
-<p>With upstart, I notice these environment variables are set when a
-script is started from rcS.d/ (ignoring some irrelevant ones like
-COLUMNS):</p>
+<p>A while back, I was contacted by Knut Yrvin at the part of Nokia
+that used to be Trolltech, who wanted to help the OfficeShots project
+and wondered if the University of Oslo where I work would be
+interested in supporting the project. I helped him to navigate his
+request to the right people at work, and his request was answered with
+a spot in the machine room with power and network connected, and Knut
+arranged funding for a machine to fill the spot. The machine is
+administrated by the OfficeShots people, so I do not have daily
+contact with its progress, and thus from time to time check back to
+see how the project is doing.</p>
-<blockquote><pre>
-DEFAULT_RUNLEVEL=2
-previous=N
-PREVLEVEL=
-RUNLEVEL=
-runlevel=S
-UPSTART_EVENTS=startup
-UPSTART_INSTANCE=
-UPSTART_JOB=rc-sysinit
-</pre></blockquote>
-
-<p>With sysvinit, these environment variables are set for the same
-script.</p>
-
-<blockquote><pre>
-INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.88
-previous=N
-PREVLEVEL=N
-RUNLEVEL=S
-runlevel=S
-</pre></blockquote>
-
-<p>The RUNLEVEL and PREVLEVEL environment variables passed on from
-sysvinit are not set by upstart. Not sure if it is intentional or not
-to not be compatible with sysvinit in this regard.</p>
-
-<p>For scripts needing to behave differently when upstart is used,
-looking for the UPSTART_JOB environment variable seem to be a good
-choice.</p>
+<p>Today I had a look, and was happy to see that the Dell box in our
+machine room now is the host for several virtual machines running as
+OfficeShots factories, and the project is able to render ODF documents
+in 17 different document processing implementation on Linux and
+Windows. This is great.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bootsystem">bootsystem</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/standard">standard</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Skolelinux_er_laget_for_sentraldrifting__naturligvis.html">Skolelinux er laget for sentraldrifting, naturligvis</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades__removals_by_apt_and_aptitude.html">Lenny->Squeeze upgrades, removals by apt and aptitude</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 9th June 2010
+ 13th June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>Det er merkelig hvordan myter om Skolelinux overlever. En slik
-myte er at Skolelinux ikke kan sentraldriftes og ha sentralt plasserte
-tjenermaskiner. I siste Computerworld Norge er
-<a href="http://www.idg.no/computerworld/article169432.ece">IT-sjef
-Viggo Billdal i Steinkjer intervjuet</a>, og forteller uten
-blygsel:</p>
+ <p>My
+<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Automatic_upgrade_testing_from_Lenny_to_Squeeze.html">testing
+of Debian upgrades</a> from Lenny to Squeeze continues, and I've
+finally made the upgrade logs available from
+<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/debian-upgrade-testing/">http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/debian-upgrade-testing/</a>.
+I am now testing dist-upgrade of Gnome and KDE in a chroot using both
+apt and aptitude, and found their differences interesting. This time
+I will only focus on their removal plans.</p>
-<blockquote><p>Vi hadde Skolelinux, men det har vi sluttet med. Vi testet
-om det lønte seg med Microsoft eller en åpen plattform. Vi fant ut at
-Microsoft egentlig var totalt sett bedre egnet. Det var store
-driftskostnader med Skolelinux, blant annet på grunn av
-desentraliserte servere. Det var komplisert, så vi gikk vekk fra det
-og bruker nå bare Windows.</p></blockquote>
+<p>After installing a Gnome desktop and the laptop task, apt-get wants
+to remove 72 packages when dist-upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze. The
+surprising part is that it want to remove xorg and all
+xserver-xorg-video* drivers. Clearly not a good choice, but I am not
+sure why. When asking aptitude to do the same, it want to remove 129
+packages, but most of them are library packages I suspect are no
+longer needed. Both of them want to remove bluetooth packages, which
+I do not know. Perhaps these bluetooth packages are obsolete?</p>
-<p>En <a
-href="https://init.linpro.no/pipermail/skolelinux.no/bruker/2010-June/009101.html">rask
-sjekk</a> mot den norske brukerlista i Skolelinuxprosjektet forteller
-at Steinkjers forsøk foregikk fram til 2004/2005, og at Røysing skole
-i Steinkjer skal ha vært svært fornøyd med Skolelinux men at kommunen
-overkjørte skolen og krevde at de gikk over til Windows. Et søk på
-nettet sendte meg til
-<a href="http://www.dn.no/multimedia/archive/00090/Dagens_it_nr__18_90826a.pdf">Dagens
-IT nr. 18 2005</a> hvor en kan lese på side 18:</p>
+<p>For KDE, apt-get want to remove 82 packages, among them kdebase
+which seem like a bad idea and xorg the same way as with Gnome. Asking
+aptitude for the same, it wants to remove 192 packages, none which are
+too surprising.</p>
-<blockquote><p>Inge Tømmerås ved Røysing skole i Steinkjer kjører ennå
-Microsoft, men forteller at kompetanseutfordringen med Skolelinux ikke
-var så stor. Jeg syntes Skolelinux var utrolig lett å drifte uten
-forkunnskaper. Men man må jo selvsagt ha tilgang på ekstern kompetanse
-til installasjoner og maskinvarefeil, sier Tømmerås.</p></blockquote>
+<p>I guess the removal of xorg during upgrades should be investigated
+and avoided, and perhaps others as well. Here are the complete list
+of planned removals. The complete logs is available from the URL
+above. Note if you want to repeat these tests, that the upgrade test
+for kde+apt-get hung in the tasksel setup because of dpkg asking
+conffile questions. No idea why. I worked around it by using
+'<tt>echo >> /proc/<em>pidofdpkg</em>/fd/0</tt>' to tell dpkg to
+continue.</p>
-<p>Som systemarkitekten bak Skolelinux, kan jeg bare riste på hodet
-over påstanden om at Skolelinux krever desentraliserte tjenere.
-Skolelinux-arkitekturen er laget for sentralisert drift og plassering
-av tjenerne lokalt eller sentralt alt etter behov og nettkapasitet.
-Den er modellert på nettverks- og tjenerløsningen som brukes på
-Universitetet i Tromsø og Oslo, der jeg jobber med utvikling av
-driftstjenester. Dette er det heldigvis noen som har fått med seg, og
-jeg er glad for å kunne sitere fra en kommentar på den overnevnte
-artikkelen. Min venn og gamle kollega Sturle Sunde forteller der:
+<p><b>apt-get gnome 72</b>
+<br>bluez-gnome cupsddk-drivers deskbar-applet gnome
+ gnome-desktop-environment gnome-network-admin gtkhtml3.14
+ iceweasel-gnome-support libavcodec51 libdatrie0 libgdl-1-0
+ libgnomekbd2 libgnomekbdui2 libmetacity0 libslab0 libxcb-xlib0
+ nautilus-cd-burner python-gnome2-desktop python-gnome2-extras
+ serpentine swfdec-mozilla update-manager xorg xserver-xorg
+ xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev
+ xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse
+ xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom
+ xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark
+ xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips
+ xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-cyrix
+ xserver-xorg-video-dummy xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
+ xserver-xorg-video-glint xserver-xorg-video-i128
+ xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-imstt
+ xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-mach64
+ xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
+ xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-nv
+ xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-video-r128
+ xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
+ xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3
+ xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage
+ xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis
+ xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx
+ xserver-xorg-video-tga xserver-xorg-video-trident
+ xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-v4l
+ xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vga
+ xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-video-voodoo xulrunner-1.9
+ xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support</p>
-<blockquote>
-<p>I Flora kommune køyrer vi Skulelinux på skular med alt frå 15 til
-meir enn 500 elevar. Dei store skulane har eigen tenar, for det er
-mest praktisk. Eg, som er driftsansvarleg for heile nettet, ser
-sjeldan dei tenarane fysisk, men at dei står der gjer skulane mindre
-avhengige av eksterne linjer som er trege eller dyre. Dei minste
-skulane har ikkje eigen tenar. Å bruke sentral tenar er heller ikkje
-noko problem. Småskulane klarar seg fint med 1 mbit-linje til ein
-sentral tenar eller tenaren på ein større skule.</p>
+<p><b>aptitude gnome 129</b>
-<p>Det beste med Skulelinux er halvtjukke klientar. Dei treng ikkje
-harddisk og brukar minimalt med ressursar på tenaren fordi dei køyrer
-programma lokalt. Eit klasserom med 30 sju-åtte år gamle maskiner har
-mykje meir CPU og RAM totalt enn nokon moderne tenar til under
-millionen. Det trengst to kommandoar på den sentrale tenaren for å
-oppdatere alle klientane, både tynne og halvtjukke. Vi har ingen
-problem med diskar som ryk heller, som var eit problem før fordi
-elevane sat og sparka i maskinene. Og dei krev lite bandbreidde i
-nettet, so det er fullt mogleg å køyre slike på småskular med trege
-linjer mot tenaren på ein større skule.</p>
+<br>bluez-gnome bluez-utils cpp-4.3 cupsddk-drivers dhcdbd
+ djvulibre-desktop finger gnome-app-install gnome-mount
+ gnome-network-admin gnome-spell gnome-vfs-obexftp
+ gnome-volume-manager gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs gtkhtml3.14 libao2
+ libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-core5 libavcodec51 libbluetooth2
+ libcamel1.2-11 libcdio7 libcucul0 libcupsys2 libcurl3 libdatrie0
+ libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdvdread3 libedataserver1.2-9 libeel2-2.20
+ libeel2-data libepc-1.0-1 libepc-ui-1.0-1 libfaad0 libgail-common
+ libgd2-noxpm libgda3-3 libgda3-common libgdl-1-0 libgdl-1-common
+ libggz2 libggzcore9 libggzmod4 libgksu1.2-0 libgksuui1.0-1 libgmyth0
+ libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomekbd2 libgnomekbdui2 libgnomeprint2.2-0
+ libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libgnomeprintui2.2-common
+ libgnomevfs2-bin libgpod3 libgraphviz4 libgtkhtml2-0
+ libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgucharmap6
+ libhesiod0 libicu38 libiw29 libkpathsea4 libltdl3 libmagick++10
+ libmagick10 libmalaga7 libmetacity0 libmtp7 libmysqlclient15off
+ libnautilus-burn4 libneon27 libnm-glib0 libnm-util0 libopal-2.2
+ libosp5 libparted1.8-10 libpoppler-glib3 libpoppler3 libpt-1.10.10
+ libpt-1.10.10-plugins-alsa libpt-1.10.10-plugins-v4l libraw1394-8
+ libsensors3 libslab0 libsmbios2 libsoup2.2-8 libssh2-1
+ libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libswfdec-0.6-90 libtalloc1 libtotem-plparser10
+ libtrackerclient0 libxalan2-java libxalan2-java-gcj libxcb-xlib0
+ libxerces2-java libxerces2-java-gcj libxklavier12 libxtrap6
+ libxxf86misc1 libzephyr3 mysql-common nautilus-cd-burner
+ openoffice.org-writer2latex openssl-blacklist p7zip
+ python-4suite-xml python-eggtrayicon python-gnome2-desktop
+ python-gnome2-extras python-gtkhtml2 python-gtkmozembed
+ python-numeric python-sexy serpentine svgalibg1 swfdec-gnome
+ swfdec-mozilla totem-gstreamer update-manager wodim
+ xserver-xorg-video-cyrix xserver-xorg-video-imstt
+ xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-v4l xserver-xorg-video-vga
+ zip</p>
-<p>Flora kommune har nesten 800 Linux-maskiner i sitt skulenett, og
-ein person som tek seg av drift av heile nettet, inkludert tenarar,
-klientar, operativsystem, programvare, heimekontorløysing og
-administrasjon av brukarar.</p>
+<p><b>apt-get kde 82</b>
-<p>No skal det seiast at vi ikkje køyrer rein Skulelinux ut av
-boksen. Vi har gjort ein del tilpassingar mot noko Novell-greier som
-var der frå før, og som har komplisert installasjonen vår. Etter at
-oppsettet var gjort har løysinga vore stabil og kravd minimalt med
-arbeid.</p>
-</blockquote>
+<br>cupsddk-drivers karm kaudiocreator kcoloredit kcontrol kde kde-core
+ kdeaddons kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3
+ kdebase-kio-plugins kdesktop kdeutils khelpcenter kicker
+ kicker-applets knewsticker kolourpaint konq-plugins konqueror korn
+ kpersonalizer kscreensaver ksplash libavcodec51 libdatrie0 libkiten1
+ libxcb-xlib0 quanta superkaramba texlive-base-bin xorg xserver-xorg
+ xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev
+ xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse
+ xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom
+ xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark
+ xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips
+ xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-cyrix
+ xserver-xorg-video-dummy xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
+ xserver-xorg-video-glint xserver-xorg-video-i128
+ xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-imstt
+ xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-mach64
+ xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
+ xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-nv
+ xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-video-r128
+ xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
+ xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3
+ xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage
+ xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis
+ xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx
+ xserver-xorg-video-tga xserver-xorg-video-trident
+ xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-v4l
+ xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vga
+ xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-video-voodoo xulrunner-1.9</p>
+
+<p><b>aptitude kde 192</b>
+<br>bluez-utils cpp-4.3 cupsddk-drivers cvs dcoprss dhcdbd
+ djvulibre-desktop dosfstools eyesapplet fifteenapplet finger gettext
+ ghostscript-x imlib-base imlib11 indi kandy karm kasteroids
+ kaudiocreator kbackgammon kbstate kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat
+ kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-misc kdeartwork-theme-window
+ kdebase-bin-kde3 kdebase-kio-plugins kdeedu-data
+ kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelirc kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data
+ kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
+ kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins kdeprint kdesktop kdessh
+ kdict kdnssd kdvi kedit keduca kenolaba kfax kfaxview kfouleggs
+ kghostview khelpcenter khexedit kiconedit kitchensync klatin
+ klickety kmailcvt kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmoon kmrml kodo kolourpaint
+ kooka korn kpager kpdf kpercentage kpf kpilot kpoker kpovmodeler
+ krec kregexpeditor ksayit ksim ksirc ksirtet ksmiletris ksmserver
+ ksnake ksokoban ksplash ksvg ksysv ktip ktnef kuickshow kverbos
+ kview kviewshell kvoctrain kwifimanager kwin kwin4 kworldclock
+ kxsldbg libakode2 libao2 libarts1-akode libarts1-audiofile
+ libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
+ libavahi-core5 libavc1394-0 libavcodec51 libbluetooth2
+ libboost-python1.34.1 libcucul0 libcurl3 libcvsservice0 libdatrie0
+ libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdjvulibre21 libdvdread3 libfaad0 libfreebob0
+ libgail-common libgd2-noxpm libgraphviz4 libgsmme1c2a libgtkhtml2-0
+ libicu38 libiec61883-0 libindex0 libiw29 libk3b3 libkcal2b libkcddb1
+ libkdeedu3 libkdepim1a libkgantt0 libkiten1 libkleopatra1 libkmime2
+ libkpathsea4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
+ libksieve0 libktnef1 liblockdev1 libltdl3 libmagick10 libmimelib1c2a
+ libmozjs1d libmpcdec3 libneon27 libnm-util0 libopensync0 libpisock9
+ libpoppler-glib3 libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler3 libraw1394-8 libsmbios2
+ libssh2-1 libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libtalloc1 libtiff-tools
+ libxalan2-java libxalan2-java-gcj libxcb-xlib0 libxerces2-java
+ libxerces2-java-gcj libxtrap6 mpeglib networkstatus
+ openoffice.org-writer2latex pmount poster psutils quanta quanta-data
+ superkaramba svgalibg1 tex-common texlive-base texlive-base-bin
+ texlive-common texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-recommended
+ xserver-xorg-video-cyrix xserver-xorg-video-imstt
+ xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-v4l xserver-xorg-video-vga
+ xulrunner-1.9</p>
-<p>Jeg vet at Narvik, Harstad og Oslo er kommuner der Skolelinux
-sentraldriftes med sentrale tjenere. Det forteller meg at Steinkjers
-IT-sjef neppe bør skylde på Skolelinux-løsningen for sine 5 år gamle
-minner.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
+
+
+ </div>
+ </div>
+ <div class="padding"></div>
+
+ <div class="entry">
+ <div class="title">
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/_pne_tr_dl_snett_er_et_samfunnsgode.html">Åpne trådløsnett er et samfunnsgode</a>
+ </div>
+ <div class="date">
+ 12th June 2010
+ </div>
+ <div class="body">
+ <p>Veldig glad for å oppdage via
+<a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/11/1841256/Finland-To-Legalize-Use-of-Unsecured-Wi-Fi">Slashdot</a>
+at folk i Finland har forstått at åpne trådløsnett er et samfunnsgode.
+Jeg ser på åpne trådløsnett som et fellesgode på linje med retten til
+ferdsel i utmark og retten til å bevege seg i strandsonen. Jeg har
+glede av åpne trådløsnett når jeg finner dem, og deler gladelig nett
+med andre så lenge de ikke forstyrrer min bruk av eget nett.
+Nettkapasiteten er sjelden en begrensning ved normal browsing og enkel
+SSH-innlogging (som er min vanligste nettbruk), og nett kan brukes til
+så mye positivt og nyttig (som nyhetslesing, sjekke været, kontakte
+slekt og venner, holde seg oppdatert om politiske saker, kontakte
+organisasjoner og politikere, etc), at det for meg er helt urimelig å
+blokkere dette for alle som ikke gjør en flue fortred. De som mener
+at potensialet for misbruk er grunn nok til å hindre all den positive
+og lovlydige bruken av et åpent trådløsnett har jeg dermed ingen
+forståelse for. En kan ikke la eksistensen av forbrytere styre hvordan
+samfunnet skal organiseres. Da får en et kontrollsamfunn de færreste
+ønsker å leve i, og det at vi har et samfunn i Norge der tilliten til
+hverandre er høy gjør at samfunnet fungerer ganske godt. Det bør vi
+anstrenge oss for å beholde.</p>
+
+ </div>
+ <div class="tags">
+
+
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/fildeling">fildeling</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>.
</div>
Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bootsystem">bootsystem</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
-
-
- </div>
- </div>
- <div class="padding"></div>
-
- <div class="entry">
- <div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/_pne_tr_dl_snett_er_et_samfunnsgode.html">Åpne trådløsnett er et samfunnsgode</a>
- </div>
- <div class="date">
- 12th June 2010
- </div>
- <div class="body">
- <p>Veldig glad for å oppdage via
-<a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/11/1841256/Finland-To-Legalize-Use-of-Unsecured-Wi-Fi">Slashdot</a>
-at folk i Finland har forstått at åpne trådløsnett er et samfunnsgode.
-Jeg ser på åpne trådløsnett som et fellesgode på linje med retten til
-ferdsel i utmark og retten til å bevege seg i strandsonen. Jeg har
-glede av åpne trådløsnett når jeg finner dem, og deler gladelig nett
-med andre så lenge de ikke forstyrrer min bruk av eget nett.
-Nettkapasiteten er sjelden en begrensning ved normal browsing og enkel
-SSH-innlogging (som er min vanligste nettbruk), og nett kan brukes til
-så mye positivt og nyttig (som nyhetslesing, sjekke været, kontakte
-slekt og venner, holde seg oppdatert om politiske saker, kontakte
-organisasjoner og politikere, etc), at det for meg er helt urimelig å
-blokkere dette for alle som ikke gjør en flue fortred. De som mener
-at potensialet for misbruk er grunn nok til å hindre all den positive
-og lovlydige bruken av et åpent trådløsnett har jeg dermed ingen
-forståelse for. En kan ikke la eksistensen av forbrytere styre hvordan
-samfunnet skal organiseres. Da får en et kontrollsamfunn de færreste
-ønsker å leve i, og det at vi har et samfunn i Norge der tilliten til
-hverandre er høy gjør at samfunnet fungerer ganske godt. Det bør vi
-anstrenge oss for å beholde.</p>
-
- </div>
- <div class="tags">
-
-
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/fildeling">fildeling</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>.
-
-
- </div>
- </div>
- <div class="padding"></div>
-
- <div class="entry">
- <div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades__removals_by_apt_and_aptitude.html">Lenny->Squeeze upgrades, removals by apt and aptitude</a>
- </div>
- <div class="date">
- 13th June 2010
- </div>
- <div class="body">
- <p>My
-<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Automatic_upgrade_testing_from_Lenny_to_Squeeze.html">testing
-of Debian upgrades</a> from Lenny to Squeeze continues, and I've
-finally made the upgrade logs available from
-<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/debian-upgrade-testing/">http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/debian-upgrade-testing/</a>.
-I am now testing dist-upgrade of Gnome and KDE in a chroot using both
-apt and aptitude, and found their differences interesting. This time
-I will only focus on their removal plans.</p>
-
-<p>After installing a Gnome desktop and the laptop task, apt-get wants
-to remove 72 packages when dist-upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze. The
-surprising part is that it want to remove xorg and all
-xserver-xorg-video* drivers. Clearly not a good choice, but I am not
-sure why. When asking aptitude to do the same, it want to remove 129
-packages, but most of them are library packages I suspect are no
-longer needed. Both of them want to remove bluetooth packages, which
-I do not know. Perhaps these bluetooth packages are obsolete?</p>
+
+
+ </div>
+ </div>
+ <div class="padding"></div>
+
+ <div class="entry">
+ <div class="title">
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Skolelinux_er_laget_for_sentraldrifting__naturligvis.html">Skolelinux er laget for sentraldrifting, naturligvis</a>
+ </div>
+ <div class="date">
+ 9th June 2010
+ </div>
+ <div class="body">
+ <p>Det er merkelig hvordan myter om Skolelinux overlever. En slik
+myte er at Skolelinux ikke kan sentraldriftes og ha sentralt plasserte
+tjenermaskiner. I siste Computerworld Norge er
+<a href="http://www.idg.no/computerworld/article169432.ece">IT-sjef
+Viggo Billdal i Steinkjer intervjuet</a>, og forteller uten
+blygsel:</p>
-<p>For KDE, apt-get want to remove 82 packages, among them kdebase
-which seem like a bad idea and xorg the same way as with Gnome. Asking
-aptitude for the same, it wants to remove 192 packages, none which are
-too surprising.</p>
+<blockquote><p>Vi hadde Skolelinux, men det har vi sluttet med. Vi testet
+om det lønte seg med Microsoft eller en åpen plattform. Vi fant ut at
+Microsoft egentlig var totalt sett bedre egnet. Det var store
+driftskostnader med Skolelinux, blant annet på grunn av
+desentraliserte servere. Det var komplisert, så vi gikk vekk fra det
+og bruker nå bare Windows.</p></blockquote>
-<p>I guess the removal of xorg during upgrades should be investigated
-and avoided, and perhaps others as well. Here are the complete list
-of planned removals. The complete logs is available from the URL
-above. Note if you want to repeat these tests, that the upgrade test
-for kde+apt-get hung in the tasksel setup because of dpkg asking
-conffile questions. No idea why. I worked around it by using
-'<tt>echo >> /proc/<em>pidofdpkg</em>/fd/0</tt>' to tell dpkg to
-continue.</p>
+<p>En <a
+href="https://init.linpro.no/pipermail/skolelinux.no/bruker/2010-June/009101.html">rask
+sjekk</a> mot den norske brukerlista i Skolelinuxprosjektet forteller
+at Steinkjers forsøk foregikk fram til 2004/2005, og at Røysing skole
+i Steinkjer skal ha vært svært fornøyd med Skolelinux men at kommunen
+overkjørte skolen og krevde at de gikk over til Windows. Et søk på
+nettet sendte meg til
+<a href="http://www.dn.no/multimedia/archive/00090/Dagens_it_nr__18_90826a.pdf">Dagens
+IT nr. 18 2005</a> hvor en kan lese på side 18:</p>
-<p><b>apt-get gnome 72</b>
-<br>bluez-gnome cupsddk-drivers deskbar-applet gnome
- gnome-desktop-environment gnome-network-admin gtkhtml3.14
- iceweasel-gnome-support libavcodec51 libdatrie0 libgdl-1-0
- libgnomekbd2 libgnomekbdui2 libmetacity0 libslab0 libxcb-xlib0
- nautilus-cd-burner python-gnome2-desktop python-gnome2-extras
- serpentine swfdec-mozilla update-manager xorg xserver-xorg
- xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev
- xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse
- xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom
- xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark
- xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips
- xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-cyrix
- xserver-xorg-video-dummy xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
- xserver-xorg-video-glint xserver-xorg-video-i128
- xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-imstt
- xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-mach64
- xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
- xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-nv
- xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-video-r128
- xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
- xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3
- xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage
- xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis
- xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx
- xserver-xorg-video-tga xserver-xorg-video-trident
- xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-v4l
- xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vga
- xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-video-voodoo xulrunner-1.9
- xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support</p>
+<blockquote><p>Inge Tømmerås ved Røysing skole i Steinkjer kjører ennå
+Microsoft, men forteller at kompetanseutfordringen med Skolelinux ikke
+var så stor. Jeg syntes Skolelinux var utrolig lett å drifte uten
+forkunnskaper. Men man må jo selvsagt ha tilgang på ekstern kompetanse
+til installasjoner og maskinvarefeil, sier Tømmerås.</p></blockquote>
-<p><b>aptitude gnome 129</b>
+<p>Som systemarkitekten bak Skolelinux, kan jeg bare riste på hodet
+over påstanden om at Skolelinux krever desentraliserte tjenere.
+Skolelinux-arkitekturen er laget for sentralisert drift og plassering
+av tjenerne lokalt eller sentralt alt etter behov og nettkapasitet.
+Den er modellert på nettverks- og tjenerløsningen som brukes på
+Universitetet i Tromsø og Oslo, der jeg jobber med utvikling av
+driftstjenester. Dette er det heldigvis noen som har fått med seg, og
+jeg er glad for å kunne sitere fra en kommentar på den overnevnte
+artikkelen. Min venn og gamle kollega Sturle Sunde forteller der:
-<br>bluez-gnome bluez-utils cpp-4.3 cupsddk-drivers dhcdbd
- djvulibre-desktop finger gnome-app-install gnome-mount
- gnome-network-admin gnome-spell gnome-vfs-obexftp
- gnome-volume-manager gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs gtkhtml3.14 libao2
- libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-core5 libavcodec51 libbluetooth2
- libcamel1.2-11 libcdio7 libcucul0 libcupsys2 libcurl3 libdatrie0
- libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdvdread3 libedataserver1.2-9 libeel2-2.20
- libeel2-data libepc-1.0-1 libepc-ui-1.0-1 libfaad0 libgail-common
- libgd2-noxpm libgda3-3 libgda3-common libgdl-1-0 libgdl-1-common
- libggz2 libggzcore9 libggzmod4 libgksu1.2-0 libgksuui1.0-1 libgmyth0
- libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomekbd2 libgnomekbdui2 libgnomeprint2.2-0
- libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libgnomeprintui2.2-common
- libgnomevfs2-bin libgpod3 libgraphviz4 libgtkhtml2-0
- libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgucharmap6
- libhesiod0 libicu38 libiw29 libkpathsea4 libltdl3 libmagick++10
- libmagick10 libmalaga7 libmetacity0 libmtp7 libmysqlclient15off
- libnautilus-burn4 libneon27 libnm-glib0 libnm-util0 libopal-2.2
- libosp5 libparted1.8-10 libpoppler-glib3 libpoppler3 libpt-1.10.10
- libpt-1.10.10-plugins-alsa libpt-1.10.10-plugins-v4l libraw1394-8
- libsensors3 libslab0 libsmbios2 libsoup2.2-8 libssh2-1
- libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libswfdec-0.6-90 libtalloc1 libtotem-plparser10
- libtrackerclient0 libxalan2-java libxalan2-java-gcj libxcb-xlib0
- libxerces2-java libxerces2-java-gcj libxklavier12 libxtrap6
- libxxf86misc1 libzephyr3 mysql-common nautilus-cd-burner
- openoffice.org-writer2latex openssl-blacklist p7zip
- python-4suite-xml python-eggtrayicon python-gnome2-desktop
- python-gnome2-extras python-gtkhtml2 python-gtkmozembed
- python-numeric python-sexy serpentine svgalibg1 swfdec-gnome
- swfdec-mozilla totem-gstreamer update-manager wodim
- xserver-xorg-video-cyrix xserver-xorg-video-imstt
- xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-v4l xserver-xorg-video-vga
- zip</p>
+<blockquote>
+<p>I Flora kommune køyrer vi Skulelinux på skular med alt frå 15 til
+meir enn 500 elevar. Dei store skulane har eigen tenar, for det er
+mest praktisk. Eg, som er driftsansvarleg for heile nettet, ser
+sjeldan dei tenarane fysisk, men at dei står der gjer skulane mindre
+avhengige av eksterne linjer som er trege eller dyre. Dei minste
+skulane har ikkje eigen tenar. Å bruke sentral tenar er heller ikkje
+noko problem. Småskulane klarar seg fint med 1 mbit-linje til ein
+sentral tenar eller tenaren på ein større skule.</p>
-<p><b>apt-get kde 82</b>
+<p>Det beste med Skulelinux er halvtjukke klientar. Dei treng ikkje
+harddisk og brukar minimalt med ressursar på tenaren fordi dei køyrer
+programma lokalt. Eit klasserom med 30 sju-åtte år gamle maskiner har
+mykje meir CPU og RAM totalt enn nokon moderne tenar til under
+millionen. Det trengst to kommandoar på den sentrale tenaren for å
+oppdatere alle klientane, både tynne og halvtjukke. Vi har ingen
+problem med diskar som ryk heller, som var eit problem før fordi
+elevane sat og sparka i maskinene. Og dei krev lite bandbreidde i
+nettet, so det er fullt mogleg å køyre slike på småskular med trege
+linjer mot tenaren på ein større skule.</p>
-<br>cupsddk-drivers karm kaudiocreator kcoloredit kcontrol kde kde-core
- kdeaddons kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3
- kdebase-kio-plugins kdesktop kdeutils khelpcenter kicker
- kicker-applets knewsticker kolourpaint konq-plugins konqueror korn
- kpersonalizer kscreensaver ksplash libavcodec51 libdatrie0 libkiten1
- libxcb-xlib0 quanta superkaramba texlive-base-bin xorg xserver-xorg
- xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev
- xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse
- xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom
- xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark
- xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips
- xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-cyrix
- xserver-xorg-video-dummy xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
- xserver-xorg-video-glint xserver-xorg-video-i128
- xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-imstt
- xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-mach64
- xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
- xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-nv
- xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-video-r128
- xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
- xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3
- xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage
- xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis
- xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx
- xserver-xorg-video-tga xserver-xorg-video-trident
- xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-v4l
- xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vga
- xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-video-voodoo xulrunner-1.9</p>
+<p>Flora kommune har nesten 800 Linux-maskiner i sitt skulenett, og
+ein person som tek seg av drift av heile nettet, inkludert tenarar,
+klientar, operativsystem, programvare, heimekontorløysing og
+administrasjon av brukarar.</p>
-<p><b>aptitude kde 192</b>
-<br>bluez-utils cpp-4.3 cupsddk-drivers cvs dcoprss dhcdbd
- djvulibre-desktop dosfstools eyesapplet fifteenapplet finger gettext
- ghostscript-x imlib-base imlib11 indi kandy karm kasteroids
- kaudiocreator kbackgammon kbstate kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat
- kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-misc kdeartwork-theme-window
- kdebase-bin-kde3 kdebase-kio-plugins kdeedu-data
- kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelirc kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data
- kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
- kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins kdeprint kdesktop kdessh
- kdict kdnssd kdvi kedit keduca kenolaba kfax kfaxview kfouleggs
- kghostview khelpcenter khexedit kiconedit kitchensync klatin
- klickety kmailcvt kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmoon kmrml kodo kolourpaint
- kooka korn kpager kpdf kpercentage kpf kpilot kpoker kpovmodeler
- krec kregexpeditor ksayit ksim ksirc ksirtet ksmiletris ksmserver
- ksnake ksokoban ksplash ksvg ksysv ktip ktnef kuickshow kverbos
- kview kviewshell kvoctrain kwifimanager kwin kwin4 kworldclock
- kxsldbg libakode2 libao2 libarts1-akode libarts1-audiofile
- libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
- libavahi-core5 libavc1394-0 libavcodec51 libbluetooth2
- libboost-python1.34.1 libcucul0 libcurl3 libcvsservice0 libdatrie0
- libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdjvulibre21 libdvdread3 libfaad0 libfreebob0
- libgail-common libgd2-noxpm libgraphviz4 libgsmme1c2a libgtkhtml2-0
- libicu38 libiec61883-0 libindex0 libiw29 libk3b3 libkcal2b libkcddb1
- libkdeedu3 libkdepim1a libkgantt0 libkiten1 libkleopatra1 libkmime2
- libkpathsea4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
- libksieve0 libktnef1 liblockdev1 libltdl3 libmagick10 libmimelib1c2a
- libmozjs1d libmpcdec3 libneon27 libnm-util0 libopensync0 libpisock9
- libpoppler-glib3 libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler3 libraw1394-8 libsmbios2
- libssh2-1 libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libtalloc1 libtiff-tools
- libxalan2-java libxalan2-java-gcj libxcb-xlib0 libxerces2-java
- libxerces2-java-gcj libxtrap6 mpeglib networkstatus
- openoffice.org-writer2latex pmount poster psutils quanta quanta-data
- superkaramba svgalibg1 tex-common texlive-base texlive-base-bin
- texlive-common texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-recommended
- xserver-xorg-video-cyrix xserver-xorg-video-imstt
- xserver-xorg-video-nsc xserver-xorg-video-v4l xserver-xorg-video-vga
- xulrunner-1.9</p>
+<p>No skal det seiast at vi ikkje køyrer rein Skulelinux ut av
+boksen. Vi har gjort ein del tilpassingar mot noko Novell-greier som
+var der frå før, og som har komplisert installasjonen vår. Etter at
+oppsettet var gjort har løysinga vore stabil og kravd minimalt med
+arbeid.</p>
+</blockquote>
+<p>Jeg vet at Narvik, Harstad og Oslo er kommuner der Skolelinux
+sentraldriftes med sentrale tjenere. Det forteller meg at Steinkjers
+IT-sjef neppe bør skylde på Skolelinux-løsningen for sine 5 år gamle
+minner.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Officeshots_taking_shape.html">Officeshots taking shape</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Upstart_or_sysvinit___as_init_d_scripts_see_it.html">Upstart or sysvinit - as init.d scripts see it</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 13th June 2010
+ 6th June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>For those of us caring about document exchange and
-interoperability, <a href="http://www.officeshots.org/">OfficeShots</a>
-is a great service. It is to ODF documents what
-<a href="http://browsershots.org/">BrowserShots</a> is for web
-pages.</p>
+ <p>If Debian is to migrate to upstart on Linux, I expect some init.d
+scripts to migrate (some of) their operations to upstart job while
+keeping the init.d for hurd and kfreebsd. The packages with such
+needs will need a way to get their init.d scripts to behave
+differently when used with sysvinit and with upstart. Because of
+this, I had a look at the environment variables set when a init.d
+script is running under upstart, and when it is not.</p>
+
+<p>With upstart, I notice these environment variables are set when a
+script is started from rcS.d/ (ignoring some irrelevant ones like
+COLUMNS):</p>
+
+<blockquote><pre>
+DEFAULT_RUNLEVEL=2
+previous=N
+PREVLEVEL=
+RUNLEVEL=
+runlevel=S
+UPSTART_EVENTS=startup
+UPSTART_INSTANCE=
+UPSTART_JOB=rc-sysinit
+</pre></blockquote>
-<p>A while back, I was contacted by Knut Yrvin at the part of Nokia
-that used to be Trolltech, who wanted to help the OfficeShots project
-and wondered if the University of Oslo where I work would be
-interested in supporting the project. I helped him to navigate his
-request to the right people at work, and his request was answered with
-a spot in the machine room with power and network connected, and Knut
-arranged funding for a machine to fill the spot. The machine is
-administrated by the OfficeShots people, so I do not have daily
-contact with its progress, and thus from time to time check back to
-see how the project is doing.</p>
+<p>With sysvinit, these environment variables are set for the same
+script.</p>
-<p>Today I had a look, and was happy to see that the Dell box in our
-machine room now is the host for several virtual machines running as
-OfficeShots factories, and the project is able to render ODF documents
-in 17 different document processing implementation on Linux and
-Windows. This is great.</p>
+<blockquote><pre>
+INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.88
+previous=N
+PREVLEVEL=N
+RUNLEVEL=S
+runlevel=S
+</pre></blockquote>
+
+<p>The RUNLEVEL and PREVLEVEL environment variables passed on from
+sysvinit are not set by upstart. Not sure if it is intentional or not
+to not be compatible with sysvinit in this regard.</p>
+
+<p>For scripts needing to behave differently when upstart is used,
+looking for the UPSTART_JOB environment variable seem to be a good
+choice.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/standard">standard</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bootsystem">bootsystem</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Vinmonopolet_bryter_loven__penlyst___og_flere_planlegger___gj_re_det_samme.html">Vinmonopolet bryter loven åpenlyst - og flere planlegger å gjøre det samme</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/A_manual_for_standards_wars___.html">A manual for standards wars...</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 16th June 2010
+ 6th June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p><a href="http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/06/16/nyheter/innenriks/streik/arbeidsliv/12157858/">Dagbladet
-melder</a> at Vinmonopolet med bakgrunn i vekterstreiken som pågår i
-Norge for tiden, har bestemt seg for med vitende og vilje å bryte
-sentralbanklovens paragraf 14 ved å nekte folk å betale med
-kontanter, og at flere butikker planlegger å følge deres eksempel.
-Jeg synes det er hårreisende hvis de slipper unna med et slikt
-soleklart lovbrudd, og lurer på hva slags muligheter jeg vil ha hvis
-jeg blir nektet å handle med kontanter. Jeg handler i hovedsak med
-kontanter selv, da jeg anser det som en borgerrett å kunne handle
-anonymt uten at det blir registrert. For meg er det et angrep på mitt
-personvern å nekte å ta imot kontant betaling.</p>
-
-<p><a href="http://www.lovdata.no/all/tl-19850524-028-003.html#14">Paragrafen
-i sentralbankloven</a> lyder:</p>
-
-<blockquote>
-<p>§ 14. Tvungent betalingsmiddel</p>
-
-<p>Bankens sedler og mynter er tvungent betalingsmiddel i Norge. Ingen
-er pliktig til i én betaling å ta imot mer enn femogtyve mynter av
-hver enhet.</p>
-
-<p>Sterkt skadde sedler og mynter er ikke tvungent
-betalingsmiddel. Banken gir nærmere forskrifter om erstatning for
-bortkomne, brente eller skadde sedler og mynter.</p>
-
-<p>Selv om en avtale inneholder klausul om betaling av en
-pengeforpliktelse i gullverdi, kan skyldneren frigjøre seg med tvungne
-betalingsmidler uten hensyn til denne klausul.</p>
-</blockquote>
-
-<p>Det er med bakgrunn i denne lovet ikke tillatt å nekte å ta imot
-kontakt betaling. Det er en lov jeg har sans for, og som jeg mener må
-håndheves strengt.</p>
+ <p>Via the
+<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/robweir/antic-atom/~3/QzU4RgoAGMg/weekly-links-10.html">blog
+of Rob Weir</a> I came across the very interesting essay named
+<a href="http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/shapiro/wars.pdf">The Art of
+Standards Wars</a> (PDF 25 pages). I recommend it for everyone
+following the standards wars of today.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/standard">standard</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Calling_tasksel_like_the_installer__while_still_getting_useful_output.html">Calling tasksel like the installer, while still getting useful output</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Sitesummary_tip__Listing_computer_hardware_models_used_at_site.html">Sitesummary tip: Listing computer hardware models used at site</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 16th June 2010
+ 3rd June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>A few times I have had the need to simulate the way tasksel
-installs packages during the normal debian-installer run. Until now,
-I have ended up letting tasksel do the work, with the annoying problem
-of not getting any feedback at all when something fails (like a
-conffile question from dpkg or a download that fails), using code like
-this:
-
-<blockquote><pre>
-export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
-tasksel --new-install
-</pre></blockquote>
-
-This would invoke tasksel, let its automatic task selection pick the
-tasks to install, and continue to install the requested tasks without
-any output what so ever.
-
-Recently I revisited this problem while working on the automatic
-package upgrade testing, because tasksel would some times hang without
-any useful feedback, and I want to see what is going on when it
-happen. Then it occured to me, I can parse the output from tasksel
-when asked to run in test mode, and use that aptitude command line
-printed by tasksel then to simulate the tasksel run. I ended up using
-code like this:
+ <p>When using sitesummary at a site to track machines, it is possible
+to get a list of the machine types in use thanks to the DMI
+information extracted from each machine. The script to do so is
+included in the sitesummary package, and here is example output from
+the Skolelinux build servers:</p>
<blockquote><pre>
-export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
-cmd="$(in_target tasksel -t --new-install | sed 's/debconf-apt-progress -- //')"
-$cmd
+maintainer:~# /usr/lib/sitesummary/hardware-model-summary
+ vendor count
+ Dell Computer Corporation 1
+ PowerEdge 1750 1
+ IBM 1
+ eserver xSeries 345 -[8670M1X]- 1
+ Intel 2
+ [no-dmi-info] 3
+maintainer:~#
</pre></blockquote>
-<p>The content of $cmd is typically something like "<tt>aptitude -q
---without-recommends -o APT::Install-Recommends=no -y install
-~t^desktop$ ~t^gnome-desktop$ ~t^laptop$ ~pstandard ~prequired
-~pimportant</tt>", which will install the gnome desktop task, the
-laptop task and all packages with priority standard , required and
-important, just like tasksel would have done it during
-installation.</p>
+<p>The quality of the report depend on the quality of the DMI tables
+provided in each machine. Here there are Intel machines without model
+information listed with Intel as vendor and no model, and virtual Xen
+machines listed as [no-dmi-info]. One can add -l as a command line
+option to list the individual machines.</p>
-<p>A better approach is probably to extend tasksel to be able to
-install packages without using debconf-apt-progress, for use cases
-like this.</p>
+<p>A larger list is
+<a href="http://narvikskolen.no/sitesummary/">available from the the
+city of Narvik</a>, which uses Skolelinux on all their shools and also
+provide the basic sitesummary report publicly. In their report there
+are ~1400 machines. I know they use both Ubuntu and Skolelinux on
+their machines, and as sitesummary is available in both distributions,
+it is trivial to get all of them to report to the same central
+collector.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sitesummary">sitesummary</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Idea_for_a_change_to_LDAP_schemas_allowing_DNS_and_DHCP_info_to_be_combined_into_one_object.html">Idea for a change to LDAP schemas allowing DNS and DHCP info to be combined into one object</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Togsatsing_p__norsk__mot_sykkel.html">Togsatsing på norsk, mot sykkel</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 24th June 2010
+ 2nd June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>A while back, I
-<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Time_for_new__LDAP_schemas_replacing_RFC_2307_.html">complained
-about the fact</a> that it is not possible with the provided schemas
-for storing DNS and DHCP information in LDAP to combine the two sets
-of information into one LDAP object representing a computer.</p>
-
-<p>In the mean time, I discovered that a simple fix would be to make
-the dhcpHost object class auxiliary, to allow it to be combined with
-the dNSDomain object class, and thus forming one object for one
-computer when storing both DHCP and DNS information in LDAP.</p>
-
-<p>If I understand this correctly, it is not safe to do this change
-without also changing the assigned number for the object class, and I
-do not know enough about LDAP schema design to do that properly for
-Debian Edu.</p>
-
-<p>Anyway, for future reference, this is how I believe we could change
-the
-<a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dhc-ldap-schema-00">DHCP
-schema</a> to solve at least part of the problem with the LDAP schemas
-available today from IETF.</p>
-
-<pre>
---- dhcp.schema (revision 65192)
-+++ dhcp.schema (working copy)
-@@ -376,7 +376,7 @@
- objectclass ( 2.16.840.1.113719.1.203.6.6
- NAME 'dhcpHost'
- DESC 'This represents information about a particular client'
-- SUP top
-+ SUP top AUXILIARY
- MUST cn
- MAY (dhcpLeaseDN $ dhcpHWAddress $ dhcpOptionsDN $ dhcpStatements $ dhcpComments $ dhcpOption)
- X-NDS_CONTAINMENT ('dhcpService' 'dhcpSubnet' 'dhcpGroup') )
-</pre>
-
-<p>I very much welcome clues on how to do this properly for Debian
-Edu/Squeeze. We provide the DHCP schema in our debian-edu-config
-package, and should thus be free to rewrite it as we see fit.</p>
+ <p>Det står dårlig til med toget når en finner på å la det
+<a href="http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3677060.ece">kappkjøre
+med sykkel</a>... Jeg tror det trengs strukturendringer for å få
+fikset på togproblemene i Norge.</p>
-<p>If you want to help out with implementing this for Debian Edu,
-please contact us on debian-edu@lists.debian.org.</p>
+<p>Mon tro hva toglinje mellom Narvik og Tromsø ville hatt slags
+effekt på området der?</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/ldap">ldap</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>.
</div>
<div class="entry">
<div class="title">
- <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/LUMA__a_very_nice_LDAP_GUI.html">LUMA, a very nice LDAP GUI</a>
+ <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/KDM_fail_at_boot_with_NVidia_cards___and_no_one_try_to_fix_it_.html">KDM fail at boot with NVidia cards - and no one try to fix it?</a>
</div>
<div class="date">
- 28th June 2010
+ 1st June 2010
</div>
<div class="body">
- <p>The last few days I have been looking into the status of the LDAP
-directory in Debian Edu, and in the process I started to miss a GUI
-tool to browse the LDAP tree. The only one I was able to find in
-Debian/Squeeze and Lenny is
-<a href="http://luma.sourceforge.net/">LUMA</a>, which has proved to
-be a great tool to get a overview of the current LDAP directory
-populated by default in Skolelinux. Thanks to it, I have been able to
-find empty and obsolete subtrees, misplaced objects and duplicate
-objects. It will be installed by default in Debian/Squeeze. If you
-are working with LDAP, give it a go. :)</p>
-
-<p>I did notice one problem with it I have not had time to report to
-the BTS yet. There is no .desktop file in the package, so the tool do
-not show up in the Gnome and KDE menus, but only deep down in in the
-Debian submenu in KDE. I hope that can be fixed before Squeeze is
-released.</p>
+ <p>It is strange to watch how a bug in Debian causing KDM to fail to
+start at boot when an NVidia video card is used is handled. The
+problem seem to be that the nvidia X.org driver uses a long time to
+initialize, and this duration is longer than kdm is configured to
+wait.</p>
-<p>I have not yet been able to get it to modify the tree yet. I would
-like to move objects and remove subtrees directly in the GUI, but have
-not found a way to do that with LUMA yet. So in the mean time, I use
-<a href="http://www.lichteblau.com/ldapvi/">ldapvi</a> for that.</p>
+<p>I came across two bugs related to this issue,
+<a href="http://bugs.debian.org/583312">#583312</a> initially filed
+against initscripts and passed on to nvidia-glx when it became obvious
+that the nvidia drivers were involved, and
+<a href="http://bugs.debian.org/524751">#524751</a> initially filed against
+kdm and passed on to src:nvidia-graphics-drivers for unknown reasons.</p>
-<p>If you have tips on other GUI tools for LDAP that might be useful
-in Debian Edu, please contact us on debian-edu@lists.debian.org.</p>
+<p>To me, it seem that no-one is interested in actually solving the
+problem nvidia video card owners experience and make sure the Debian
+distribution work out of the box for these users. The nvidia driver
+maintainers expect kdm to be set up to wait longer, while kdm expect
+the nvidia driver maintainers to fix the driver to start faster, and
+while they wait for each other I guess the users end up switching to a
+distribution that work for them. I have no idea what the solution is,
+but I am pretty sure that waiting for each other is not it.</p>
-<p>Update 2010-06-29: Ross Reedstrom tipped us about the
-<a href="http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gq.html">gq</a> package as a
-useful GUI alternative. It seem like a good tool, but is unmaintained
-in Debian and got a RC bug keeping it out of Squeeze. Unless that
-changes, it will not be an option for Debian Edu based on Squeeze.</p>
+<p>I wonder why we end up handling bugs this way.</p>
</div>
<div class="tags">
- Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/ldap">ldap</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
+ Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bootsystem">bootsystem</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
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