Petter Reinholdtsen: The cost of ODF and OOXML

I just come across a blog post from Glyn Moody reporting the +claimed cost from Microsoft on requiring ODF to be used by the UK +government. I just sent him an email to let him know that his +assumption are most likely wrong. Sharing it here in case some of my +blog readers have seem the same numbers float around in the UK.

+ +

Hi. I just noted your +http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/04/does-microsoft-office-lock-in-cost-the-uk-government-500-million/index.htm +comment:
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"They're all in Danish, not unreasonably, but even +with the help of Google Translate I can't find any figures about the +savings of "moving to a flexible two standard" as claimed by the +Microsoft email. But I assume it is backed up somewhere, so let's take +it, and the Â£500 million figure for the UK, on trust." +
+ +
I can tell you that the Danish reports are inflated. I believe it is +the same reports that were used in the Norwegian debate around 2007, +and Gisle Hannemyr (a well known IT commentator in Norway) had a look +at the content. In short, the reason it is claimed that using ODF +will be so costly, is based on the assumption that this mean every +existing document need to be converted from one of the MS Office +formats to ODF, transferred to the receiver, and converted back from +ODF to one of the MS Office formats, and that the conversion will cost +10 minutes of work time for both the sender and the receiver. In +reality the sender would have a tool capable of saving to ODF, and the +receiver would have a tool capable of reading it, and the time spent +would at most be a few seconds for saving and loading, not 20 minutes +of wasted effort.
+ +
Microsoft claimed all these costs were saved by allowing people to +transfer the original files from MS Office instead of spending 10 +minutes converting to ODF. :)
+ +
See +http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12_vl02.php +and +http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12.php +for background information. Norwegian only, sorry. :)
+

+ + + Tags: english, nuug, standard. + + +

OpenOffice.org fungerer da fint for blinde?

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Holder de ord og NUUG lanserer testtjeneste med stortingsinformasjon

22nd April 2012

I -januar -i fjor startet vi i NUUG arbeid med Ã¥ gjÃ¸re informasjon om hvem -som har stemt hva pÃ¥ Stortinget -enklere tilgjengelig. I lÃ¸pet av fÃ¥ mÃ¥neder fant vi sammen med -organisasjonen Holder de ord -som arbeidet mot et lignende mÃ¥l.

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Siden den gang har vi fÃ¥tt tak i maskinelt lesbart informasjon om -hvem som stemte hva mellom 1990 og vÃ¥ren 2010, og tilgang til -stortingets nye datatjeneste som har informasjon fra hÃ¸sten 2011 til i -dag. Det gjenstÃ¥r litt arbeid med det fÃ¸rste datasettet, men -datasettet fra hÃ¸sten 2011 er klart til bruk. Begge datasettene er -tilgjengelig via -git.

- -

PÃ¥ -Go Open i morgen lanserer -NUUG sammen med Holder de ord en -test-tjeneste som viser hva som er og blir behandlet pÃ¥ Stortinget og -hvem som har stemt hva siden oktober i fjor. Du fÃ¥r herved mulighet -til Ã¥ ta en sniktitt.

- - - Tags: norsk, nuug, stortinget. - - -

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diff --git a/blog/index.rss b/blog/index.rss index 6fb2f7a011..bcb33fd281 100644 --- a/blog/index.rss +++ b/blog/index.rss @@ -6,6 +6,55 @@ http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/ + + The cost of ODF and OOXML + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/The_cost_of_ODF_and_OOXML.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/The_cost_of_ODF_and_OOXML.html + Sat, 26 May 2012 18:00:00 +0200 + I just come across a blog post from Glyn Moody reporting the +claimed cost from Microsoft on requiring ODF to be used by the UK +government. I just sent him an email to let him know that his +assumption are most likely wrong. Sharing it here in case some of my +blog readers have seem the same numbers float around in the UK. + +<blockquote> Hi. I just noted your +<a href="http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/04/does-microsoft-office-lock-in-cost-the-uk-government-500-million/index.htm">http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/04/does-microsoft-office-lock-in-cost-the-uk-government-500-million/index.htm</a> +comment: + +<blockquote>"They're all in Danish, not unreasonably, but even +with the help of Google Translate I can't find any figures about the +savings of "moving to a flexible two standard" as claimed by the +Microsoft email. But I assume it is backed up somewhere, so let's take +it, and the Â£500 million figure for the UK, on trust." +</blockquote> + +I can tell you that the Danish reports are inflated. I believe it is +the same reports that were used in the Norwegian debate around 2007, +and Gisle Hannemyr (a well known IT commentator in Norway) had a look +at the content. In short, the reason it is claimed that using ODF +will be so costly, is based on the assumption that this mean every +existing document need to be converted from one of the MS Office +formats to ODF, transferred to the receiver, and converted back from +ODF to one of the MS Office formats, and that the conversion will cost +10 minutes of work time for both the sender and the receiver. In +reality the sender would have a tool capable of saving to ODF, and the +receiver would have a tool capable of reading it, and the time spent +would at most be a few seconds for saving and loading, not 20 minutes +of wasted effort. + +Microsoft claimed all these costs were saved by allowing people to +transfer the original files from MS Office instead of spending 10 +minutes converting to ODF. :) + +See +<a href="http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12_vl02.php">http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12_vl02.php</a> +and +<a href="http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12.php">http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12.php</a> +for background information. Norwegian only, sorry. :) +</blockquote> + + + OpenOffice.org fungerer da fint for blinde? http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/OpenOffice_org_fungerer_da_fint_for_blinde_.html @@ -551,35 +600,5 @@ standards</a> also for video. - - Holder de ord og NUUG lanserer testtjeneste med stortingsinformasjon - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Holder_de_ord_og_NUUG_lanserer_testtjeneste_med_stortingsinformasjon.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Holder_de_ord_og_NUUG_lanserer_testtjeneste_med_stortingsinformasjon.html - Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:45:00 +0200 - I -<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Hva_har_mine_representanter_stemt_i_Storinget_.html">januar -i fjor</a> startet vi i NUUG arbeid med Ã¥ gjÃ¸re informasjon om hvem -som har stemt hva pÃ¥ <a href="http://www.stortinget.no/">Stortinget</a> -enklere tilgjengelig. I lÃ¸pet av fÃ¥ mÃ¥neder fant vi sammen med -organisasjonen <a href="http://www.holderdeord.no/">Holder de ord</a> -som arbeidet mot et lignende mÃ¥l. - -Siden den gang har vi fÃ¥tt tak i maskinelt lesbart informasjon om -hvem som stemte hva mellom 1990 og vÃ¥ren 2010, og tilgang til -stortingets nye datatjeneste som har informasjon fra hÃ¸sten 2011 til i -dag. Det gjenstÃ¥r litt arbeid med det fÃ¸rste datasettet, men -datasettet fra hÃ¸sten 2011 er klart til bruk. Begge datasettene er -tilgjengelig <a href="https://gitorious.org/nuug/folketingparser">via -git</a>. - -PÃ¥ -<a href="http://www.goopen.no/holder-de-ord-datadrevet-oppfolging-av-politiske-lofter/">Go Open</a> i morgen lanserer -NUUG sammen med Holder de ord <a href="http://beta.holderdeord.no/">en -test-tjeneste</a> som viser hva som er og blir behandlet pÃ¥ Stortinget og -hvem som har stemt hva siden oktober i fjor. Du fÃ¥r herved mulighet -til Ã¥ ta en sniktitt. - - - diff --git a/blog/jXplorer__a_very_nice_LDAP_GUI.html b/blog/jXplorer__a_very_nice_LDAP_GUI.html index 750d584b87..0637772156 100644 --- a/blog/jXplorer__a_very_nice_LDAP_GUI.html +++ b/blog/jXplorer__a_very_nice_LDAP_GUI.html @@ -62,7 +62,7 @@ and remove the failing query. Nothing big, but very annoying.

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+ The cost of ODF and OOXML +

+ 26th May 2012 +

+ +

Hi. I just noted your +http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/04/does-microsoft-office-lock-in-cost-the-uk-government-500-million/index.htm +comment:
+ +
"They're all in Danish, not unreasonably, but even +with the help of Google Translate I can't find any figures about the +savings of "moving to a flexible two standard" as claimed by the +Microsoft email. But I assume it is backed up somewhere, so let's take +it, and the Â£500 million figure for the UK, on trust." +
+ +
I can tell you that the Danish reports are inflated. I believe it is +the same reports that were used in the Norwegian debate around 2007, +and Gisle Hannemyr (a well known IT commentator in Norway) had a look +at the content. In short, the reason it is claimed that using ODF +will be so costly, is based on the assumption that this mean every +existing document need to be converted from one of the MS Office +formats to ODF, transferred to the receiver, and converted back from +ODF to one of the MS Office formats, and that the conversion will cost +10 minutes of work time for both the sender and the receiver. In +reality the sender would have a tool capable of saving to ODF, and the +receiver would have a tool capable of reading it, and the time spent +would at most be a few seconds for saving and loading, not 20 minutes +of wasted effort.
+ +
Microsoft claimed all these costs were saved by allowing people to +transfer the original files from MS Office instead of spending 10 +minutes converting to ODF. :)
+ +
See +http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12_vl02.php +and +http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12.php +for background information. Norwegian only, sorry. :)
+

+ +

+ + + Tags: english, nuug, standard. + + +

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+ The cost of ODF and OOXML +

+ 26th May 2012 +

+ +

Hi. I just noted your +http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/04/does-microsoft-office-lock-in-cost-the-uk-government-500-million/index.htm +comment:
+ +
"They're all in Danish, not unreasonably, but even +with the help of Google Translate I can't find any figures about the +savings of "moving to a flexible two standard" as claimed by the +Microsoft email. But I assume it is backed up somewhere, so let's take +it, and the Â£500 million figure for the UK, on trust." +
+ +
I can tell you that the Danish reports are inflated. I believe it is +the same reports that were used in the Norwegian debate around 2007, +and Gisle Hannemyr (a well known IT commentator in Norway) had a look +at the content. In short, the reason it is claimed that using ODF +will be so costly, is based on the assumption that this mean every +existing document need to be converted from one of the MS Office +formats to ODF, transferred to the receiver, and converted back from +ODF to one of the MS Office formats, and that the conversion will cost +10 minutes of work time for both the sender and the receiver. In +reality the sender would have a tool capable of saving to ODF, and the +receiver would have a tool capable of reading it, and the time spent +would at most be a few seconds for saving and loading, not 20 minutes +of wasted effort.
+ +
Microsoft claimed all these costs were saved by allowing people to +transfer the original files from MS Office instead of spending 10 +minutes converting to ODF. :)
+ +
See +http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12_vl02.php +and +http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12.php +for background information. Norwegian only, sorry. :)
+

+ +

+ + + Tags: english, nuug, standard. + + +

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+ The cost of ODF and OOXML +

+ 26th May 2012 +

+ +

Hi. I just noted your +http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2012/04/does-microsoft-office-lock-in-cost-the-uk-government-500-million/index.htm +comment:
+ +
"They're all in Danish, not unreasonably, but even +with the help of Google Translate I can't find any figures about the +savings of "moving to a flexible two standard" as claimed by the +Microsoft email. But I assume it is backed up somewhere, so let's take +it, and the Â£500 million figure for the UK, on trust." +
+ +
I can tell you that the Danish reports are inflated. I believe it is +the same reports that were used in the Norwegian debate around 2007, +and Gisle Hannemyr (a well known IT commentator in Norway) had a look +at the content. In short, the reason it is claimed that using ODF +will be so costly, is based on the assumption that this mean every +existing document need to be converted from one of the MS Office +formats to ODF, transferred to the receiver, and converted back from +ODF to one of the MS Office formats, and that the conversion will cost +10 minutes of work time for both the sender and the receiver. In +reality the sender would have a tool capable of saving to ODF, and the +receiver would have a tool capable of reading it, and the time spent +would at most be a few seconds for saving and loading, not 20 minutes +of wasted effort.
+ +
Microsoft claimed all these costs were saved by allowing people to +transfer the original files from MS Office instead of spending 10 +minutes converting to ODF. :)
+ +
See +http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12_vl02.php +and +http://hannemyr.com/no/ms12.php +for background information. Norwegian only, sorry. :)
+

+ +

+ + + Tags: english, nuug, standard. + + +

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