From: Petter Reinholdtsen Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:05:55 +0000 (+0000) Subject: Generated. X-Git-Url: http://pere.pagekite.me/gitweb/homepage.git/commitdiff_plain/478a7277b382a467157e30eb9069fc4ed601e302?hp=4c81f3a158ea90acb79ee63fb34021b274a62847 Generated. --- diff --git a/blog/Amigafolket_holder_ut.html b/blog/Amigafolket_holder_ut.html index ab1d0468d2..2bd82078b5 100644 --- a/blog/Amigafolket_holder_ut.html +++ b/blog/Amigafolket_holder_ut.html @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ pakke. Kanskje Aros kunne vÃ¦rt interessant for et NUUG-foredrag?

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diff --git a/blog/Devcamp_brought_us_closer_to_the_Lenny_based_Debian_Edu_release.html b/blog/Devcamp_brought_us_closer_to_the_Lenny_based_Debian_Edu_release.html index 28ace7d56a..ab44490d6b 100644 --- a/blog/Devcamp_brought_us_closer_to_the_Lenny_based_Debian_Edu_release.html +++ b/blog/Devcamp_brought_us_closer_to_the_Lenny_based_Debian_Edu_release.html @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ of these cards.

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diff --git a/blog/Elektronikkbyggesettet_for_reprapen_sporet_opp.html b/blog/Elektronikkbyggesettet_for_reprapen_sporet_opp.html index a97c6e8a97..fb0b8ff080 100644 --- a/blog/Elektronikkbyggesettet_for_reprapen_sporet_opp.html +++ b/blog/Elektronikkbyggesettet_for_reprapen_sporet_opp.html @@ -55,7 +55,7 @@ jul.

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diff --git a/blog/Elektronikkbyggesettet_kommer_fram_p___andre_fors__k.html b/blog/Elektronikkbyggesettet_kommer_fram_p___andre_fors__k.html index f49d413bd4..b6f21a6bb4 100644 --- a/blog/Elektronikkbyggesettet_kommer_fram_p___andre_fors__k.html +++ b/blog/Elektronikkbyggesettet_kommer_fram_p___andre_fors__k.html @@ -78,7 +78,7 @@ pÃ¥stÃ¥r det skulle skje i 2008.

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diff --git a/blog/Endelig_norsk_stavekontroll_med_st__tte_for_ord_med_bindestrek.html b/blog/Endelig_norsk_stavekontroll_med_st__tte_for_ord_med_bindestrek.html index 8760d27854..92c6395750 100644 --- a/blog/Endelig_norsk_stavekontroll_med_st__tte_for_ord_med_bindestrek.html +++ b/blog/Endelig_norsk_stavekontroll_med_st__tte_for_ord_med_bindestrek.html @@ -62,7 +62,7 @@ stavekontrollen.

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diff --git a/blog/FAD_lanserer_reiseregningsskjema_som_fri_programvare.html b/blog/FAD_lanserer_reiseregningsskjema_som_fri_programvare.html index 1fbdaaaef6..a60023731d 100644 --- a/blog/FAD_lanserer_reiseregningsskjema_som_fri_programvare.html +++ b/blog/FAD_lanserer_reiseregningsskjema_som_fri_programvare.html @@ -116,7 +116,7 @@ gjorde det litt vanskeligere for brukeren.

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diff --git a/blog/Fiksgatami_begynner____ta_form.html b/blog/Fiksgatami_begynner____ta_form.html index 733a65c82d..65198622fb 100644 --- a/blog/Fiksgatami_begynner____ta_form.html +++ b/blog/Fiksgatami_begynner____ta_form.html @@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ med dem. Dette blir bra.

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diff --git a/blog/Jeg_vil_beholde_tusenlappen___jeg_bruker_den.html b/blog/Jeg_vil_beholde_tusenlappen___jeg_bruker_den.html index 8251930ecb..90127740f3 100644 --- a/blog/Jeg_vil_beholde_tusenlappen___jeg_bruker_den.html +++ b/blog/Jeg_vil_beholde_tusenlappen___jeg_bruker_den.html @@ -88,7 +88,7 @@ kontanter for noen dager siden.

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diff --git a/blog/Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_i_hus.html b/blog/Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_i_hus.html index 9a7994bbbf..61d3dd6aa2 100644 --- a/blog/Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_i_hus.html +++ b/blog/Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_i_hus.html @@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ og kan melde seg pÃ¥ aktive@nuug.no.

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diff --git a/blog/Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_p___vei.html b/blog/Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_p___vei.html index ced577be0a..c59cce6884 100644 --- a/blog/Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_p___vei.html +++ b/blog/Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_p___vei.html @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ bort fÃ¸rste pakke.

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diff --git a/blog/Mens_vi_venter_p___3D_skriveren.html b/blog/Mens_vi_venter_p___3D_skriveren.html index 74655f02d4..1f7ef09d06 100644 --- a/blog/Mens_vi_venter_p___3D_skriveren.html +++ b/blog/Mens_vi_venter_p___3D_skriveren.html @@ -60,7 +60,7 @@ hÃ¥per det ikke gÃ¥r tapt pÃ¥ samme vis.

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diff --git a/blog/Reprap_pakke_tapt_i_posten.html b/blog/Reprap_pakke_tapt_i_posten.html index bc0206a268..51e98c0ed5 100644 --- a/blog/Reprap_pakke_tapt_i_posten.html +++ b/blog/Reprap_pakke_tapt_i_posten.html @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ lenge alt er klart til Go Open

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diff --git a/blog/Software_video_mixer_on_a_USB_stick.html b/blog/Software_video_mixer_on_a_USB_stick.html index 4fd9ca3d17..61b2a15ebc 100644 --- a/blog/Software_video_mixer_on_a_USB_stick.html +++ b/blog/Software_video_mixer_on_a_USB_stick.html @@ -63,7 +63,7 @@ larger stick as well.

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diff --git a/blog/Tester_blog.html b/blog/Tester_blog.html index 0a847b382f..84bf50dcad 100644 --- a/blog/Tester_blog.html +++ b/blog/Tester_blog.html @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ forsÃ¸k.

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diff --git a/blog/The_sorry_state_of_multimedia_browser_plugins_in_Debian.html b/blog/The_sorry_state_of_multimedia_browser_plugins_in_Debian.html index 25aef635fb..39e234bb1f 100644 --- a/blog/The_sorry_state_of_multimedia_browser_plugins_in_Debian.html +++ b/blog/The_sorry_state_of_multimedia_browser_plugins_in_Debian.html @@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ be the only one fitting our needs. :/

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diff --git a/blog/When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html b/blog/When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html new file mode 100644 index 0000000000..d38fafec80 --- /dev/null +++ b/blog/When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ + + + + Petter Reinholdtsen: When web browser developers make a video player... + + + + +

+ Petter Reinholdtsen + +

+ +

+ + +

When web browser developers make a video player...

2009-01-17 18:50

As part of the work we do in NUUG +to publish video recordings of our monthly presentations, we provide a +page with embedded video for easy access to the recording. Putting a +good set of HTML tags together to get working embedded video in all +browsers and across all operating systems is not easy. I hope this +will become easier when the <video> tag is implemented in all +browsers, but I am not sure. We provide the recordings in several +formats, MPEG1, Ogg Theora, H.264 and Quicktime, and want the +browser/media plugin to pick one it support and use it to play the +recording, using whatever embed mechanism the browser understand. +There is at least four different tags to use for this, the new HTML5 +<video> tag, the <object> tag, the <embed> tag and +the <applet> tag. All of these take a lot of options, and +finding the best options is a major challenge.

+ +

I just tested the experimental Opera browser available from labs.opera.com, to see how it handled +a <video> tag with a few video sources and no extra attributes. +I was not very impressed. The browser start by fetching a picture +from the video stream. Not sure if it is the first frame, but it is +definitely very early in the recording. So far, so good. Next, +instead of streaming the 76 MiB video file, it start to download all +of it, but do not start to play the video. This mean I have to wait +for several minutes for the downloading to finish. When the download +is done, the playing of the video do not start! Waiting for the +download, but I do not get to see the video? Some testing later, I +discover that I have to add the controls="true" attribute to be able +to get a play button to pres to start the video. Adding +autoplay="true" did not help. I sure hope this is a misfeature of the +test version of Opera, and that future implementations of the +<video> tag will stream recordings by default, or at least start +playing when the download is done.

+ +

The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +available +from the nuug site. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too.

+ +

In the test process, I discovered a missing feature. I was unable +to find a way to get the URL of the playing video out of Opera, so I +am not quite sure it picked the Ogg Theora version of the video. I +sure hope it was using the announced Ogg Theora support. :)

+ +

Tags: english, multimedia, nuug, video, web.

+ +

+ + + + + + + + + diff --git a/blog/archive/2008/11/index.html b/blog/archive/2008/11/index.html index 6f266dd3db..68f417c94b 100644 --- a/blog/archive/2008/11/index.html +++ b/blog/archive/2008/11/index.html @@ -202,7 +202,7 @@ lenge alt er klart til Go Open

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diff --git a/blog/archive/2008/12/index.html b/blog/archive/2008/12/index.html index 3d00dcc735..8c453ee0de 100644 --- a/blog/archive/2008/12/index.html +++ b/blog/archive/2008/12/index.html @@ -366,7 +366,7 @@ larger stick as well.

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diff --git a/blog/archive/2009/01/01.rss b/blog/archive/2009/01/01.rss index cd0b2bb5ae..cf5259332c 100644 --- a/blog/archive/2009/01/01.rss +++ b/blog/archive/2009/01/01.rss @@ -139,5 +139,56 @@ med dem. Dette blir bra. + + When web browser developers make a video player... + ../../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + ../../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:50:00 +0100 + +As part of the work we do in <a href="http://www.nuug.no">NUUG</a> +to publish video recordings of our monthly presentations, we provide a +page with embedded video for easy access to the recording. Putting a +good set of HTML tags together to get working embedded video in all +browsers and across all operating systems is not easy. I hope this +will become easier when the <video> tag is implemented in all +browsers, but I am not sure. We provide the recordings in several +formats, MPEG1, Ogg Theora, H.264 and Quicktime, and want the +browser/media plugin to pick one it support and use it to play the +recording, using whatever embed mechanism the browser understand. +There is at least four different tags to use for this, the new HTML5 +<video> tag, the <object> tag, the <embed> tag and +the <applet> tag. All of these take a lot of options, and +finding the best options is a major challenge. + +I just tested the experimental Opera browser available from <a +href="http://labs.opera.com">labs.opera.com</a>, to see how it handled +a <video> tag with a few video sources and no extra attributes. +I was not very impressed. The browser start by fetching a picture +from the video stream. Not sure if it is the first frame, but it is +definitely very early in the recording. So far, so good. Next, +instead of streaming the 76 MiB video file, it start to download all +of it, but do not start to play the video. This mean I have to wait +for several minutes for the downloading to finish. When the download +is done, the playing of the video do not start! Waiting for the +download, but I do not get to see the video? Some testing later, I +discover that I have to add the controls="true" attribute to be able +to get a play button to pres to start the video. Adding +autoplay="true" did not help. I sure hope this is a misfeature of the +test version of Opera, and that future implementations of the +<video> tag will stream recordings by default, or at least start +playing when the download is done. + +The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +<a href="http://www.nuug.no/aktiviteter/20090113-foredrag-om-foredrag/">available +from the nuug site</a>. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too. + +In the test process, I discovered a missing feature. I was unable +to find a way to get the URL of the playing video out of Opera, so I +am not quite sure it picked the Ogg Theora version of the video. I +sure hope it was using the announced Ogg Theora support. :) + + + diff --git a/blog/archive/2009/01/index.html b/blog/archive/2009/01/index.html index 4bb972cc58..fe2452d3e6 100644 --- a/blog/archive/2009/01/index.html +++ b/blog/archive/2009/01/index.html @@ -192,6 +192,70 @@ med dem. Dette blir bra.

+ When web browser developers make a video player... +

+ 2009-01-17 18:50 +

+ +

The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +available +from the nuug site. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too.

+ +

+ + + + Tags: english, multimedia, nuug, video, web. + +

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diff --git a/blog/index.html b/blog/index.html index 80d318d3ad..b20d1a8304 100644 --- a/blog/index.html +++ b/blog/index.html @@ -19,6 +19,63 @@ +

When web browser developers make a video player...

2009-01-17 18:50

+ +

The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +available +from the nuug site. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too.

+ +

+ + + + Tags: english, multimedia, nuug, video, web. + +

Fiksgatami begynner Ã¥ ta form

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Mekanikk-delen av reprap-byggesettet pÃ¥ vei

2008-12-02 12:00

Endelig fikk jeg beskjed om at mekanikkbyggesettet er sendt fra -England. Jeg kan fÃ¸lge pakkens bevegelser via web, og den er nÃ¥ -kommet fram til tollen i London. Da bÃ¸r jeg ha den i hus om noen -dager, hvis alt gÃ¥r bra.

- -

Elekronikkbyggesettet ser det derimot dÃ¥rligere ut for. Rette -vedkommende i USA er pÃ¥ ferie, sÃ¥ jeg har ikke fÃ¥tt noe tilbakemelding -pÃ¥ hvordan jeg fÃ¥r ordnet opp i kaoset posten etterlot da de rotet -bort fÃ¸rste pakke.

- - - - Tags: 3d-printer, norsk, nuug, reprap. - -

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diff --git a/blog/index.rss b/blog/index.rss index 50c54242f5..95d0cce9b7 100644 --- a/blog/index.rss +++ b/blog/index.rss @@ -6,6 +6,57 @@ + + When web browser developers make a video player... + When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:50:00 +0100 + +As part of the work we do in <a href="http://www.nuug.no">NUUG</a> +to publish video recordings of our monthly presentations, we provide a +page with embedded video for easy access to the recording. Putting a +good set of HTML tags together to get working embedded video in all +browsers and across all operating systems is not easy. I hope this +will become easier when the <video> tag is implemented in all +browsers, but I am not sure. We provide the recordings in several +formats, MPEG1, Ogg Theora, H.264 and Quicktime, and want the +browser/media plugin to pick one it support and use it to play the +recording, using whatever embed mechanism the browser understand. +There is at least four different tags to use for this, the new HTML5 +<video> tag, the <object> tag, the <embed> tag and +the <applet> tag. All of these take a lot of options, and +finding the best options is a major challenge. + +I just tested the experimental Opera browser available from <a +href="http://labs.opera.com">labs.opera.com</a>, to see how it handled +a <video> tag with a few video sources and no extra attributes. +I was not very impressed. The browser start by fetching a picture +from the video stream. Not sure if it is the first frame, but it is +definitely very early in the recording. So far, so good. Next, +instead of streaming the 76 MiB video file, it start to download all +of it, but do not start to play the video. This mean I have to wait +for several minutes for the downloading to finish. When the download +is done, the playing of the video do not start! Waiting for the +download, but I do not get to see the video? Some testing later, I +discover that I have to add the controls="true" attribute to be able +to get a play button to pres to start the video. Adding +autoplay="true" did not help. I sure hope this is a misfeature of the +test version of Opera, and that future implementations of the +<video> tag will stream recordings by default, or at least start +playing when the download is done. + +The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +<a href="http://www.nuug.no/aktiviteter/20090113-foredrag-om-foredrag/">available +from the nuug site</a>. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too. + +In the test process, I discovered a missing feature. I was unable +to find a way to get the URL of the playing video out of Opera, so I +am not quite sure it picked the Ogg Theora version of the video. I +sure hope it was using the announced Ogg Theora support. :) + + + Fiksgatami begynner Ã¥ ta form Fiksgatami_begynner____ta_form.html @@ -364,23 +415,5 @@ of these cards. - - Mekanikk-delen av reprap-byggesettet pÃ¥ vei - Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_p___vei.html - Mekanikk_delen_av_reprap_byggesettet_p___vei.html - Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:00:00 +0100 - -Endelig fikk jeg beskjed om at mekanikkbyggesettet er sendt fra -England. Jeg kan fÃ¸lge pakkens bevegelser via web, og den er nÃ¥ -kommet fram til tollen i London. Da bÃ¸r jeg ha den i hus om noen -dager, hvis alt gÃ¥r bra. - -Elekronikkbyggesettet ser det derimot dÃ¥rligere ut for. Rette -vedkommende i USA er pÃ¥ ferie, sÃ¥ jeg har ikke fÃ¥tt noe tilbakemelding -pÃ¥ hvordan jeg fÃ¥r ordnet opp i kaoset posten etterlot da de rotet -bort fÃ¸rste pakke. - - - diff --git a/blog/tags/3d-printer/index.html b/blog/tags/3d-printer/index.html index 057178bd7c..29604a7dd7 100644 --- a/blog/tags/3d-printer/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/3d-printer/index.html @@ -277,7 +277,7 @@ pÃ¥stÃ¥r det skulle skje i 2008.

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diff --git a/blog/tags/amiga/index.html b/blog/tags/amiga/index.html index 7043ff5909..7319847396 100644 --- a/blog/tags/amiga/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/amiga/index.html @@ -65,7 +65,7 @@ pakke. Kanskje Aros kunne vÃ¦rt interessant for et NUUG-foredrag?

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diff --git a/blog/tags/aros/index.html b/blog/tags/aros/index.html index f362d8903c..4606df85e4 100644 --- a/blog/tags/aros/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/aros/index.html @@ -65,7 +65,7 @@ pakke. Kanskje Aros kunne vÃ¦rt interessant for et NUUG-foredrag?

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diff --git a/blog/tags/debian edu/index.html b/blog/tags/debian edu/index.html index 09ceef7195..34e6252fbc 100644 --- a/blog/tags/debian edu/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/debian edu/index.html @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@ stavekontrollen.

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diff --git a/blog/tags/debian/index.html b/blog/tags/debian/index.html index 984e895498..f001dd5506 100644 --- a/blog/tags/debian/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/debian/index.html @@ -110,7 +110,7 @@ of these cards.

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diff --git a/blog/tags/english/english.rss b/blog/tags/english/english.rss index 8e989efec0..8e891662e3 100644 --- a/blog/tags/english/english.rss +++ b/blog/tags/english/english.rss @@ -89,5 +89,56 @@ larger stick as well. + + When web browser developers make a video player... + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:50:00 +0100 + +As part of the work we do in <a href="http://www.nuug.no">NUUG</a> +to publish video recordings of our monthly presentations, we provide a +page with embedded video for easy access to the recording. Putting a +good set of HTML tags together to get working embedded video in all +browsers and across all operating systems is not easy. I hope this +will become easier when the <video> tag is implemented in all +browsers, but I am not sure. We provide the recordings in several +formats, MPEG1, Ogg Theora, H.264 and Quicktime, and want the +browser/media plugin to pick one it support and use it to play the +recording, using whatever embed mechanism the browser understand. +There is at least four different tags to use for this, the new HTML5 +<video> tag, the <object> tag, the <embed> tag and +the <applet> tag. All of these take a lot of options, and +finding the best options is a major challenge. + +I just tested the experimental Opera browser available from <a +href="http://labs.opera.com">labs.opera.com</a>, to see how it handled +a <video> tag with a few video sources and no extra attributes. +I was not very impressed. The browser start by fetching a picture +from the video stream. Not sure if it is the first frame, but it is +definitely very early in the recording. So far, so good. Next, +instead of streaming the 76 MiB video file, it start to download all +of it, but do not start to play the video. This mean I have to wait +for several minutes for the downloading to finish. When the download +is done, the playing of the video do not start! Waiting for the +download, but I do not get to see the video? Some testing later, I +discover that I have to add the controls="true" attribute to be able +to get a play button to pres to start the video. Adding +autoplay="true" did not help. I sure hope this is a misfeature of the +test version of Opera, and that future implementations of the +<video> tag will stream recordings by default, or at least start +playing when the download is done. + +The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +<a href="http://www.nuug.no/aktiviteter/20090113-foredrag-om-foredrag/">available +from the nuug site</a>. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too. + +In the test process, I discovered a missing feature. I was unable +to find a way to get the URL of the playing video out of Opera, so I +am not quite sure it picked the Ogg Theora version of the video. I +sure hope it was using the announced Ogg Theora support. :) + + + diff --git a/blog/tags/english/index.html b/blog/tags/english/index.html index 80edec8826..6ccf26740a 100644 --- a/blog/tags/english/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/english/index.html @@ -141,6 +141,70 @@ larger stick as well.

+ +

+ When web browser developers make a video player... +

+ 2009-01-17 18:50 +

+ +

The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +available +from the nuug site. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too.

+ +

+ + + + Tags: english, multimedia, nuug, video, web. + +

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diff --git a/blog/tags/ltsp/index.html b/blog/tags/ltsp/index.html index 292a8947a3..1eaeca9fc1 100644 --- a/blog/tags/ltsp/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/ltsp/index.html @@ -70,7 +70,7 @@ of these cards.

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diff --git a/blog/tags/multimedia/index.html b/blog/tags/multimedia/index.html index e60b153fa2..e582066f35 100644 --- a/blog/tags/multimedia/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/multimedia/index.html @@ -59,6 +59,70 @@ be the only one fitting our needs. :/

+ +

+ When web browser developers make a video player... +

+ 2009-01-17 18:50 +

+ +

The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +available +from the nuug site. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too.

+ +

+ + + + Tags: english, multimedia, nuug, video, web. + +

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diff --git a/blog/tags/multimedia/multimedia.rss b/blog/tags/multimedia/multimedia.rss index 17815ae4c0..0d84fb7d33 100644 --- a/blog/tags/multimedia/multimedia.rss +++ b/blog/tags/multimedia/multimedia.rss @@ -33,5 +33,56 @@ be the only one fitting our needs. :/ + + When web browser developers make a video player... + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:50:00 +0100 + +As part of the work we do in <a href="http://www.nuug.no">NUUG</a> +to publish video recordings of our monthly presentations, we provide a +page with embedded video for easy access to the recording. Putting a +good set of HTML tags together to get working embedded video in all +browsers and across all operating systems is not easy. I hope this +will become easier when the <video> tag is implemented in all +browsers, but I am not sure. We provide the recordings in several +formats, MPEG1, Ogg Theora, H.264 and Quicktime, and want the +browser/media plugin to pick one it support and use it to play the +recording, using whatever embed mechanism the browser understand. +There is at least four different tags to use for this, the new HTML5 +<video> tag, the <object> tag, the <embed> tag and +the <applet> tag. All of these take a lot of options, and +finding the best options is a major challenge. + +I just tested the experimental Opera browser available from <a +href="http://labs.opera.com">labs.opera.com</a>, to see how it handled +a <video> tag with a few video sources and no extra attributes. +I was not very impressed. The browser start by fetching a picture +from the video stream. Not sure if it is the first frame, but it is +definitely very early in the recording. So far, so good. Next, +instead of streaming the 76 MiB video file, it start to download all +of it, but do not start to play the video. This mean I have to wait +for several minutes for the downloading to finish. When the download +is done, the playing of the video do not start! Waiting for the +download, but I do not get to see the video? Some testing later, I +discover that I have to add the controls="true" attribute to be able +to get a play button to pres to start the video. Adding +autoplay="true" did not help. I sure hope this is a misfeature of the +test version of Opera, and that future implementations of the +<video> tag will stream recordings by default, or at least start +playing when the download is done. + +The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +<a href="http://www.nuug.no/aktiviteter/20090113-foredrag-om-foredrag/">available +from the nuug site</a>. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too. + +In the test process, I discovered a missing feature. I was unable +to find a way to get the URL of the playing video out of Opera, so I +am not quite sure it picked the Ogg Theora version of the video. I +sure hope it was using the announced Ogg Theora support. :) + + + diff --git a/blog/tags/norsk/index.html b/blog/tags/norsk/index.html index e17dbec6d0..de6998482c 100644 --- a/blog/tags/norsk/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/norsk/index.html @@ -588,7 +588,7 @@ med dem. Dette blir bra.

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diff --git a/blog/tags/nuug/index.html b/blog/tags/nuug/index.html index f649a585e2..ecb58710a2 100644 --- a/blog/tags/nuug/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/nuug/index.html @@ -478,6 +478,70 @@ med dem. Dette blir bra.

+ +

+ When web browser developers make a video player... +

+ 2009-01-17 18:50 +

+ +

The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +available +from the nuug site. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too.

+ +

+ + + + Tags: english, multimedia, nuug, video, web. + +

@@ -493,7 +557,7 @@ med dem. Dette blir bra.

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@@ -543,9 +607,9 @@ med dem. Dette blir bra.

diff --git a/blog/tags/nuug/nuug.rss b/blog/tags/nuug/nuug.rss index bc0dd2e692..f780e3ed49 100644 --- a/blog/tags/nuug/nuug.rss +++ b/blog/tags/nuug/nuug.rss @@ -335,5 +335,56 @@ med dem. Dette blir bra. + + When web browser developers make a video player... + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:50:00 +0100 + +As part of the work we do in <a href="http://www.nuug.no">NUUG</a> +to publish video recordings of our monthly presentations, we provide a +page with embedded video for easy access to the recording. Putting a +good set of HTML tags together to get working embedded video in all +browsers and across all operating systems is not easy. I hope this +will become easier when the <video> tag is implemented in all +browsers, but I am not sure. We provide the recordings in several +formats, MPEG1, Ogg Theora, H.264 and Quicktime, and want the +browser/media plugin to pick one it support and use it to play the +recording, using whatever embed mechanism the browser understand. +There is at least four different tags to use for this, the new HTML5 +<video> tag, the <object> tag, the <embed> tag and +the <applet> tag. All of these take a lot of options, and +finding the best options is a major challenge. + +I just tested the experimental Opera browser available from <a +href="http://labs.opera.com">labs.opera.com</a>, to see how it handled +a <video> tag with a few video sources and no extra attributes. +I was not very impressed. The browser start by fetching a picture +from the video stream. Not sure if it is the first frame, but it is +definitely very early in the recording. So far, so good. Next, +instead of streaming the 76 MiB video file, it start to download all +of it, but do not start to play the video. This mean I have to wait +for several minutes for the downloading to finish. When the download +is done, the playing of the video do not start! Waiting for the +download, but I do not get to see the video? Some testing later, I +discover that I have to add the controls="true" attribute to be able +to get a play button to pres to start the video. Adding +autoplay="true" did not help. I sure hope this is a misfeature of the +test version of Opera, and that future implementations of the +<video> tag will stream recordings by default, or at least start +playing when the download is done. + +The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +<a href="http://www.nuug.no/aktiviteter/20090113-foredrag-om-foredrag/">available +from the nuug site</a>. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too. + +In the test process, I discovered a missing feature. I was unable +to find a way to get the URL of the playing video out of Opera, so I +am not quite sure it picked the Ogg Theora version of the video. I +sure hope it was using the announced Ogg Theora support. :) + + + diff --git a/blog/tags/personvern/index.html b/blog/tags/personvern/index.html index 862d4bd1d9..9ea27a4ead 100644 --- a/blog/tags/personvern/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/personvern/index.html @@ -105,7 +105,7 @@ kontanter for noen dager siden.

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diff --git a/blog/tags/reprap/index.html b/blog/tags/reprap/index.html index 6cceb1a089..a407046829 100644 --- a/blog/tags/reprap/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/reprap/index.html @@ -277,7 +277,7 @@ pÃ¥stÃ¥r det skulle skje i 2008.

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diff --git a/blog/tags/rss/index.html b/blog/tags/rss/index.html index 82a0e03bb8..fba91c4da6 100644 --- a/blog/tags/rss/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/rss/index.html @@ -59,7 +59,7 @@ forsÃ¸k.

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diff --git a/blog/tags/video/index.html b/blog/tags/video/index.html index df4a2ee598..7e0f2b5b58 100644 --- a/blog/tags/video/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/video/index.html @@ -65,6 +65,70 @@ larger stick as well.

+ +

+ When web browser developers make a video player... +

+ 2009-01-17 18:50 +

+ +

The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +available +from the nuug site. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too.

+ +

+ + + + Tags: english, multimedia, nuug, video, web. + +

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diff --git a/blog/tags/video/video.rss b/blog/tags/video/video.rss index bf080aca74..5db82271f9 100644 --- a/blog/tags/video/video.rss +++ b/blog/tags/video/video.rss @@ -39,5 +39,56 @@ larger stick as well. + + When web browser developers make a video player... + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:50:00 +0100 + +As part of the work we do in <a href="http://www.nuug.no">NUUG</a> +to publish video recordings of our monthly presentations, we provide a +page with embedded video for easy access to the recording. Putting a +good set of HTML tags together to get working embedded video in all +browsers and across all operating systems is not easy. I hope this +will become easier when the <video> tag is implemented in all +browsers, but I am not sure. We provide the recordings in several +formats, MPEG1, Ogg Theora, H.264 and Quicktime, and want the +browser/media plugin to pick one it support and use it to play the +recording, using whatever embed mechanism the browser understand. +There is at least four different tags to use for this, the new HTML5 +<video> tag, the <object> tag, the <embed> tag and +the <applet> tag. All of these take a lot of options, and +finding the best options is a major challenge. + +I just tested the experimental Opera browser available from <a +href="http://labs.opera.com">labs.opera.com</a>, to see how it handled +a <video> tag with a few video sources and no extra attributes. +I was not very impressed. The browser start by fetching a picture +from the video stream. Not sure if it is the first frame, but it is +definitely very early in the recording. So far, so good. Next, +instead of streaming the 76 MiB video file, it start to download all +of it, but do not start to play the video. This mean I have to wait +for several minutes for the downloading to finish. When the download +is done, the playing of the video do not start! Waiting for the +download, but I do not get to see the video? Some testing later, I +discover that I have to add the controls="true" attribute to be able +to get a play button to pres to start the video. Adding +autoplay="true" did not help. I sure hope this is a misfeature of the +test version of Opera, and that future implementations of the +<video> tag will stream recordings by default, or at least start +playing when the download is done. + +The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +<a href="http://www.nuug.no/aktiviteter/20090113-foredrag-om-foredrag/">available +from the nuug site</a>. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too. + +In the test process, I discovered a missing feature. I was unable +to find a way to get the URL of the playing video out of Opera, so I +am not quite sure it picked the Ogg Theora version of the video. I +sure hope it was using the announced Ogg Theora support. :) + + + diff --git a/blog/tags/web/index.html b/blog/tags/web/index.html index a03422bbea..00a0a50d04 100644 --- a/blog/tags/web/index.html +++ b/blog/tags/web/index.html @@ -59,6 +59,70 @@ be the only one fitting our needs. :/

+ +

+ When web browser developers make a video player... +

+ 2009-01-17 18:50 +

+ +

The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +available +from the nuug site. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too.

+ +

+ + + + Tags: english, multimedia, nuug, video, web. + +

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diff --git a/blog/tags/web/web.rss b/blog/tags/web/web.rss index edc81d5c01..6f91e00f49 100644 --- a/blog/tags/web/web.rss +++ b/blog/tags/web/web.rss @@ -33,5 +33,56 @@ be the only one fitting our needs. :/ + + When web browser developers make a video player... + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + ../../When_web_browser_developers_make_a_video_player___.html + Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:50:00 +0100 + +As part of the work we do in <a href="http://www.nuug.no">NUUG</a> +to publish video recordings of our monthly presentations, we provide a +page with embedded video for easy access to the recording. Putting a +good set of HTML tags together to get working embedded video in all +browsers and across all operating systems is not easy. I hope this +will become easier when the <video> tag is implemented in all +browsers, but I am not sure. We provide the recordings in several +formats, MPEG1, Ogg Theora, H.264 and Quicktime, and want the +browser/media plugin to pick one it support and use it to play the +recording, using whatever embed mechanism the browser understand. +There is at least four different tags to use for this, the new HTML5 +<video> tag, the <object> tag, the <embed> tag and +the <applet> tag. All of these take a lot of options, and +finding the best options is a major challenge. + +I just tested the experimental Opera browser available from <a +href="http://labs.opera.com">labs.opera.com</a>, to see how it handled +a <video> tag with a few video sources and no extra attributes. +I was not very impressed. The browser start by fetching a picture +from the video stream. Not sure if it is the first frame, but it is +definitely very early in the recording. So far, so good. Next, +instead of streaming the 76 MiB video file, it start to download all +of it, but do not start to play the video. This mean I have to wait +for several minutes for the downloading to finish. When the download +is done, the playing of the video do not start! Waiting for the +download, but I do not get to see the video? Some testing later, I +discover that I have to add the controls="true" attribute to be able +to get a play button to pres to start the video. Adding +autoplay="true" did not help. I sure hope this is a misfeature of the +test version of Opera, and that future implementations of the +<video> tag will stream recordings by default, or at least start +playing when the download is done. + +The test page I used (since changed to add more attributes) is +<a href="http://www.nuug.no/aktiviteter/20090113-foredrag-om-foredrag/">available +from the nuug site</a>. Will have to test it with the new Firefox +too. + +In the test process, I discovered a missing feature. I was unable +to find a way to get the URL of the playing video out of Opera, so I +am not quite sure it picked the Ogg Theora version of the video. I +sure hope it was using the announced Ogg Theora support. :) + + +

+ Petter Reinholdtsen + +

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