X-Git-Url: http://pere.pagekite.me/gitweb/homepage.git/blobdiff_plain/18cd81271e2bc7cffb81d037a78e4c24df1b5cdf..7d27b22172e0ae94860f3ed744f7b58d05a73292:/blog/index.rss diff --git a/blog/index.rss b/blog/index.rss index 6b25cfdcb7..8757a57eff 100644 --- a/blog/index.rss +++ b/blog/index.rss @@ -6,6 +6,266 @@ http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/ + + Departementenes servicesenter har ingen avtale om bruk av H.264 med MPEG-LA + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Departementenes_servicesenter_har_ingen_avtale_om_bruk_av_H_264_med_MPEG_LA.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Departementenes_servicesenter_har_ingen_avtale_om_bruk_av_H_264_med_MPEG_LA.html + Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:40:00 +0200 + <p>Da fikk jeg nettopp svar fra +<a href="http://www.dss.dep.no/">Departementenes servicesenter</a> +(DSS) på +<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Trenger_en_avtale_med_MPEG_LA_for___publisere_og_kringkaste_H_264_video_.html">mitt +spørsmål om avtale rundt bruk av H.264</a>. De har ingen avtale med +MPEG LA eller dets representanter. Her er svaret. + +<p><blockquote> + +<p>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:04:42 +0000 +<br>From: Nielsen Mette Haga &lt;Mette-Haga.Nielsen (at) dss.dep.no&gt; +<br>To: Petter Reinholdtsen &lt;petter.reinholdtsen (at) ...&gt; +<br>CC: Postmottak &lt;Postmottak (at) dss.dep.no&gt; +<br>Subject: SV: Innsynsbegjæring om MPEG/H.264-relaterte avtaler</p> + +<p>DSS har ikke inngått noen egen lisensavtale med MPEG-LA eller noen som +representerer MPEG-LA i Norge. Videoløsningen på regjeringen.no er +levert av Smartcom:tv. Lisensforholdet rundt H.264 er ikke omtalt i +vår avtale med Smartcom.</p> + +<p>Vennlig hilsen</p> + +<p>Mette Haga Nielsen +<br>Fung. seksjonssjef</p> + +<p>Departementenes servicesenter</p> + +<p>Informasjonsforvaltning + +<p>Mobil 93 09 83 51 +<br>E-post mette-haga.nielsen (at) dss.dep.no</p> +</blockquote></p> + +<p>Hvis den norske regjeringen representert ved DSS ikke har slik +avtale, så kan en kanskje konkludere med at det ikke trengs? Jeg er +ikke trygg på at det er god juridisk grunn å stå på, men det er i det +minste interessant å vite at hverken NRK eller DSS har funnet det +nødvendig å ha avtale om bruk av H.264.</p> + +<p>Det forklarer ikke hvordan de kan ignorere bruksvilkårene knyttet +til bruk av opphavsrettsbeskyttet materiale de bruker til +videoproduksjon, med mindre slike vilkår kan ignoreres av selskaper og +privatpersoner i Norge. Har de lov til å bryte vilkårene, eller har +de brutt dem og så langt sluppet unna med det? Jeg aner ikke.</p> + + + + + MPEG-LA mener NRK må ha avtale med dem for å kringkaste og publisere H.264-video + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/MPEG_LA_mener_NRK_m__ha_avtale_med_dem_for___kringkaste_og_publisere_H_264_video.html + http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/MPEG_LA_mener_NRK_m__ha_avtale_med_dem_for___kringkaste_og_publisere_H_264_video.html + Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:00:00 +0200 + <p>Etter at NRK +<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/NRK_nekter___finne_og_utlevere_eventuell_avtale_med_MPEG_LA.html">nektet +å spore opp eventuell avtale med MPEG-LA</a> eller andre om bruk av +MPEG/H.264-video etter at jeg <a +href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Trenger_en_avtale_med_MPEG_LA_for___publisere_og_kringkaste_H_264_video_.html">ba +om innsyn i slike avtaler</a>, tenkte jeg at i stedet for å forsøke å +få NRK til å finne en slik avtale, så burde det være like enkelt å +spørre MPEG-LA om de hadde avtale med NRK. Spørsmålet ble sendt før +jeg fikk tips fra Kieran Kunhya om hvor listen over lisensinnehavere +"in Good Standing" befant seg. MPEG-LA svarte meg i dag, og kan +fortelle at NRK ikke har noen avtale med dem, så da er i det miste det +slått fast. Ikke overraskende mener MPEG-LA at det trengs en avtale +med MPEG-LA for å streame H.264, men deres rammer er jo +rettstilstanden i USA og ikke Norge. Jeg tar dermed den delen av +svaret med en klype salt. Jeg er dermed fortsatt ikke klok på om det +trengs en avtale, og hvis det trengs en avtale her i Norge, heller +ikke sikker på om NRK har en avtale med noen andre enn MPEG-LA som +gjør at de ikke trenger avtale direkte med MPEG-LA. Jeg håper NRKs +jurister har vurdert dette, og at det er mulig å få tilgang til +vurderingen uansett om de trenger en avtale eller ikke.</p> + +<p>Her er epostutvekslingen med MPEG-LA så langt. Håper ikke +utvekslingen fører til NRK plutselig får en litt uventet pakke fra +MPEG-LA.</p> + +<p><blockquote> +<p>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:29:37 +0200 +<br>From: Petter Reinholdtsen &lt;pere (at) hungry.com&gt; +<br>To: licensing-web (at) mpegla.com +<br>Subject: Do NRK have a license agreement with MPEG-LA?</p> + +<p>Hi. I have a small question for you, that I hope it is OK that I +ask.</p> + +<p>Is there any license agreements between MPEG-LA and NRK, &lt;URL: +<a href="http://www.nrk.no/">http://www.nrk.no/</a> &gt;, the +Norwegian national broadcasting cooperation? I am not sure if they +need one, and am just curious if such agreeement exist.</p> + +<p>The postal address is</p> + +<p><blockquote> + NRK + <br>Postbox 8500, Majorstuen + <br>0340 Oslo + <br>Norway +</blockquote></p> + +<p>if it make it easier for you to locate such agreement.</p> + +<p>Can you tell me how many entities in Norway have an agreement with +MPEG-LA, and the name of these entities?</p> + +<p>-- +<br>Happy hacking +<br>Petter Reinholdtsen +</blockquote></p> + +<p>I dag, to dager senere, fikk jeg følgende svar:</p> + +<p><blockquote> +<p>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:11:17 +0000 +<br>From: Ryan Rodriguez &lt;RRodriguez (at) mpegla.com> +<br>To: Petter Reinholdtsen &lt;pere (at) hungry.com> +<br>CC: MD Administration &lt;MDAdministration (at) mpegla.com> +<br>Subject: RE: Do NRK have a license agreement with MPEG-LA?</p> + +<p>Dear Mr. Reinholdtsen,</p> + +<p>Thank you for your message and for your interest in MPEG LA. We +appreciate hearing from you and I will be happy to assist you.</p> + +<p>To begin, I will assume that you are referring to AVC/H.264 +technology in your message below, as this technology is commonly used +in the transmission of video content. In that case, please allow me +to briefly summarize the coverage provided by our AVC Patent Portfolio +License.</p> + +<P>Our AVC License provides coverage for end products and video +services that make use of AVC/H.264 technology. Accordingly, the +party offering such end products and video to End Users concludes the +AVC License and is responsible for paying the applicable royalties +associated with the end products/video they offer.</p> + +<p>While the Norwegian Broadcast Corporation (NRK) is not currently a +Licensee to MPEG LA's AVC License (or any other Portfolio License +offered by MPEG LA), if NRK offers AVC Video to End Users for +remuneration (for example, Title-by-Title, Subscription, Free +Television, or Internet Broadcast AVC Video), then NRK will need to +conclude the AVC License and may be responsible for paying applicable +royalties associated with the AVC Video it distributes.</p> + +<p>Today I will send you a FedEx package containing a copy of our AVC +License for your review. You should receive the License document +within the next few days.</p> + +<p>Meanwhile, MPEG LA currently has several Norwegian Licensees that +can be found under the "Licensees" header within the respective +portion of our website. For example, you may find our list of +Licensees in Good Standing to our AVC License in the AVC portion of +our website, +<a href="http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensees.aspx">http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensees.aspx</a></p> + +<p>I hope the above information is helpful. If you have additional +questions or need further assistance with the AVC License, please feel +free to contact me directly. I look forward to hearing from you again +soon.</p> + +<p>Best regards,</p> + +<p>Ryan</p> + +<p>Ryan M. Rodriguez +<br>Licensing Associate +<br>MPEG LA +<br>5425 Wisconsin Avenue +<br>Suite 801 +<br>Chevy Chase, MD 20815 +<br>U.S.A. +<br>Phone: +1 (301) 986-6660 x211 +<br>Fax: +1 (301) 986-8575 +<br>Email: rrodriguez (at) mpegla.com</p> + +</blockquote></p> + +<p>Meldingen om utsendt FedEx-pakke var så merkelig at jeg +øyeblikkelig sendte svar tilbake og spurte hva i alle dager han mente, +da han jo ikke hadde fått noen postadresse som nådde meg.</p> + +<p><blockquote> + +<p>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:36:15 +0200 +<br>From: Petter Reinholdtsen &lt;pere (at) hungry.com&gt; +<br>To: Ryan Rodriguez &lt;RRodriguez (at) mpegla.com&gt; +<br>Cc: MD Administration &lt;MDAdministration (at) mpegla.com&gt; +<br>Subject: Re: Do NRK have a license agreement with MPEG-LA?</p> + +<p>[Ryan Rodriguez] +<br>&gt; Dear Mr. Reinholdtsen,</p> + +<p>Thank you for your quick reply.</p> + +<p>&gt; Today I will send you a FedEx package containing a copy of our AVC +<br>&gt; License for your review. You should receive the License document +<br>&gt; within the next few days.</p> + +<p>The part about sending a FedEx package confused me, though. I did not +<br>give you my address, nor am I associated with NRK in any way, so I hope +<br>you did not try to send me a package using the address of NRK. If you +<br>would send me the Internet address of to the document, it would be more +<br>useful to me to be able to download it as an electronic document.</p> + +<p>&gt; Meanwhile, MPEG LA currently has several Norwegian Licensees that can +<br>&gt; be found under the "Licensees" header within the respective portion +<br>&gt; of our website. For example, you may find our list of Licensees in +<br>&gt; Good Standing to our AVC License in the AVC portion of our website, +<br>&gt; http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensees.aspx</p> + +<p>How can I recognize the Norwegian licensees?</p> + +<p>-- +<br>Happy hacking +<br>Petter Reinholdtsen</p> +</blockquote></p> + +<p>Selv om jeg svarte kun noen minutter etter at jeg fikk eposten fra +MPEG-LA, fikk jeg eposten under som automatisk var beskjed på min +siste epost. Får håpe noen likevel følger opp "FedEx-pakken". For å +øke sjansen for at noen revurderer utsending av pakke uten mottaker, +videresendte jeg min epost til swolf (at) mpegla.com, så får vi se. +Har ikke hørt noe mer 3 timer senere, så jeg mistenker at ingen leste +min epost tidsnok.</p> + +<p><blockquote> + +<p>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:36:20 +0000 +<br>From: Ryan Rodriguez &lt;RRodriguez (at) mpegla.com&gt; +<br>To: Petter Reinholdtsen &lt;pere (at) hungry.com&gt; +<br>Subject: Automatic reply: Do NRK have a license agreement with MPEG-LA?</p> + +<p>Thank you for your message.</p> + +<p>I will be out of the office until Thursday, July 5 and will respond +to all messages upon my return. If this is a matter that requires +immediate attention, please contact Sidney Wolf (swolf (at) +mpegla.com)</p> + +<p>Best regards,</p> + +<p>Ryan</p> + +<p>Ryan M. Rodriguez +<br>Licensing Associate +<br>MPEG LA</p> + +</blockquote></p> + +<p>Litt klokere, men fortsatt ikke klok på mitt opprinnelige spørsmål, +som er om en trenger avtale med MPEG-LA for å publisere eller +kringkaste H.264-video i Norge.</p> + + + Postjournaler i det offentlige - vanskelig med vilje? http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Postjournaler_i_det_offentlige___vanskelig_med_vilje_.html @@ -254,14 +514,14 @@ slik at en eventuell søknad om innsyn kan tydeligere identifisere hvilke dokumenter som det ønskes innsyn i. NRKs offentlige journaler for inneværende og forrige måned ligger ute på NRK.no/innsyn. Journaler som går lengre tilbake i tid, kan sendes ut -på forespørsel til innsyn@nrk.no.</p> +på forespørsel til innsyn (at) nrk.no.</p> <p>Med hilsen <br>Dokumentarkivet i NRK <br>v/ Elin Brandsrud <br>Tel. direkte: 23 04 29 29 <br>Post: RBM3, Postboks 8500 Majorstuen, 0340 Oslo -<br>innsyn@nrk.no</p> +<br>innsyn (at) nrk.no</p> </blockquote></p> @@ -583,230 +843,5 @@ informasjonen allerede er publisert.</p> - - Debian Edu - some ideas for the future versions - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu___some_ideas_for_the_future_versions.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu___some_ideas_for_the_future_versions.html - Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:30:00 +0200 - <p>During my work on -<a href="http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120311.nb.html">Debian Edu -based on Squeeze</a>, I came across some issues that should be -addressed in the Wheezy release. I finally found time to wrap up my -notes and provide quick summary of what I found, with a bit -explanation.</p> - -<p><ul> - -<li>We need to rewrite our package installation framework, as tasksel -changed from using tasksel tasks to using meta packages (aka packages -with dependencies like our education-* packages), and our installation -system depend on tasksel tasks in -/usr/share/tasksel/debian-edu-tasks.desc for package -installation.</li> - -<li>Enable Kerberos login for more services. Now with the Kerberos -foundation in place, we should use it to get single sign on with more -services, and avoiding unneeded password / login questions. We should -at least try to enable it for these services: -<ul> - - <li>CUPS for admins to add/configure printers and users when using - quotas.</li> - <li>Nagios for admins checking the system status.</li> - <li>GOsa for admins updating LDAP and users changing their passwords.</li> - <li>LDAP for admins updating LDAP.</li> - <li>Squid for users when exam mode / filtering is active.</li> - <li>ssh for admins and users to save a password prompt.</li> - -</ul></li> - -<li>When we move GOsa to use Kerberos instead of LDAP bind to -authenticate users, we should try to block or at least limit access to -use LDAP bind for authentication, to ensure Kerberos is used when it -is intended, and nothing fall back to using the less safe LDAP bind</li> - -<li>Merge debian-edu-config and debian-edu-install. The split made -sense when d-e-install did a lot more, but these days it is just an -inconvenience when we update the debconf preseeding values.</li> - -<li>Fix partman-auto to allow us to abort the installation before -touching the disk if the disk is too small. This is -<a href="http://bugs.debian.org/653305">BTS report #653305</a> and the -d-i developers are fine with the patch and someone just need to apply -it and upload. After this is done we need to adjust -debian-edu-install to use this new hook.</li> - -<li>Adjust to new LTSP framework (boot time config instead of install -time config). LTSP changed its design, and our hooks to install -packages and update the configuration is most likely not going to work -in Wheezy. - -<li>Consider switching to NBD instead of NFS for LTSP root, to allow -the Kernel to cache files in its normal file cache, possibly speeding -up KDE login on slow networks.</li> - -<li>Make it possible to create expired user passwords that need to -change on first login. This is useful when handing out password on -paper, to make sure only the user know the password. This require -fixes to the PAM handling of kdm and gdm.</li> - -<li>Make GUI for adding new machines automatically from sitesummary. -The current command line script is not very friendly to people most -familiar with GUIs. This should probably be integrated into GOsa to -have it available where the admin will be looking for it..</li> - -<li>We should find way for Nagios to check that the DHCP service -actually is working (as in handling out IP addresses). None of the -Nagios checks I have found so far have been working for me.</li> - -<li>We should switch from libpam-nss-ldapd to sssd for all profiles -using LDAP, and not only on for roaming workstations, to have less -packages to configure and consistent setup across all profiles.</li> - -<li>We should configure Kerberos to update LDAP and Samba password -when changing password using the Kerberos protocol. The hook was -requested in <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/588968">BTS report -#588968</a> and is now available in Wheezy. We might need to write a -MIT Kerberos plugin in C to get this.</li> - -<li>We should clean up the set of applications installed by default. -<ul> - -<li>reduce the number of chemistry visualisers</li> -<li>consider dropping xpaint</li> -<li>and probably more?</li> -</ul></li> - -<li>Some hardware need external firmware to work properly. This is -mostly the case for WiFi network cards, but there are some other -examples too. For popular laptops to work out of the box, such -firmware need to be installed from non-free, and we should provide -some GUI to do this. Ubuntu already have this implemented, and we -could consider using their packages. At the moment we have some -command line script to do this (one for the running system, another -for the LTSP chroot).</li> - - -<li>In Squeeze, we provide KDE, Gnome and LXDE as desktop options. We -should extend the list to Xfce and Sugar, and preferably find a way to -install several and allow the admin or the user to select which one to -use.</li> - -<li>The golearn tool from the goplay package make it easy to check out -interesting educational packages. We should work on the package -tagging in Debian to ensure it represent all the useful educational -packages, and extend the tool to allow it to use packagekit to install -new applications with a simple mouse click.</li> - -<li>The Squeeze version got half a exam solution already in place, -with the introduction of iptable based network blocking, but for it to -be a complete exam solution the Squid proxy need to enable -filtering/blocking as well when the exam mode is enabled. We should -implement a way to easily enable this for the schools that want it, -instead of the "it is documented" method of today.</li> - -<li>A feature used in several schools is the ability for a teacher to -"take over" the desktop of individual or all computers in the room. -There are at least three implementations, -<a href="italc.sourceforge.net/">italc</a>, -<a href="http://www.itais.net/help/en/">controlaula</a> og -<a href="http://www.epoptes.org/">epoptes</a> and we should pick one of -them and make it trivial to set it up in a school. The challenges is -how to distribute crypto keys and how to group computers in one room -and how to set up which machine/user can control the machines in a -given room.</li> - -<li>Tablets and surf boards are getting more and more popular, and we -should look into providing a good solution for integrating these into -the Debian Edu network. Not quite sure how. Perhaps we should -provide a installation profile with better touch screen support for -them, or add some sync services to allow them to exchange -configuration and data with the central server. This should be -investigated.</li> - -</ul></p> - -<p>I guess we will discover more as we continue to work on the Wheezy -version.</p> - - - - - Litt statistikk fra Offentlig Elektronisk postjournal - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Litt_statistikk_fra_Offentlig_Elektronisk_postjournal.html - http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Litt_statistikk_fra_Offentlig_Elektronisk_postjournal.html - Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:30:00 +0200 - <p>De siste månedene har jeg sammen med andre i NUUG jobbet med å -gjøre det enklere å få innsyn i offentlige dokumenter, og dette -inkluderer å gjøre postjournaler enklere tilgjengelig for maskinell -analyse og søk. I den forbindelse tok jeg i dag å tittet litt på -<a href="http://www.oep.no/">Offentlig Elektronisk Postjournal -(OEP)</a>, FAD/DIFIs fellesløsning for departementer og statlige -etater.</p> - -<p>Her er antall oppføringer pr. måned det siste året, -<a href="https://api.scraperwiki.com/api/1.0/datastore/sqlite?format=htmltable&name=postliste-oep&query=select%20strftime(%22%25Y-%25m%22%2C%20%60recordpublishdate%60)%20as%20oeppubmonth%2C%20count(*)%20from%20%60swdata%60%20group%20by%20oeppubmonth%20order%20by%20oeppubmonth">summert -opp</a> ved hjelp av -<a href="https://scraperwiki.com/scrapers/postliste-oep/">en -Scraperwiki-database</a>. Merk at denne Scraperwikien har -ytelsesproblemer pga. mengden data. </p> - -<p><table border="1"> -<tr><th>Måned</th><th>Antall</th></tr> -<tr><td>2011-07</td><td>164355</td></tr> -<tr><td>2011-08</td><td>153662</td></tr> -<tr><td>2011-09</td><td>173134</td></tr> -<tr><td>2011-10</td><td>170665</td></tr> -<tr><td>2011-11</td><td>198409</td></tr> -<tr><td>2011-12</td><td>175908</td></tr> -<tr><td>2012-01</td><td>206875</td></tr> -<tr><td>2012-02</td><td>202862</td></tr> -<tr><td>2012-03</td><td>204225</td></tr> -<tr><td>2012-04</td><td>207931</td></tr> -<tr><td>2012-05</td><td>223754</td></tr> -</table></p> - -<p>Det er også interessant å se hvor ofte ulike etater sender inn sine -journaloppføringer til OEP. OEP inneholder en liste med sist -innrapporteringsdato for alle som sender til OEP, og ved å se når og -hvor ofte det blir sendt inn fra etatene kan -<a href="https://api.scraperwiki.com/api/1.0/datastore/sqlite?format=htmltable&name=postliste-oep-deliverydates&query=select%20agency%2C%0A(julianday(datetime('now'))%20-%20%0A%20julianday(min(%60deliverydate%60)))%2Fcount(*)%20as%20dayfreq%2C%0A%20count(*)%0Afrom%20%60swdata%60%20group%20by%20agency%20order%20by%20dayfreq%20desc">frekvensen -beregnes</a>. Her er bunnlista, dvs. de som leverer sjeldnere enn hver 10. -dag beregnet fra -<a href="https://scraperwiki.com/scrapers/postliste-oep-deliverydates/">en -Scraperwiki-database</a>:</p> - -<p><table border="1"> - -<tr> <th>Etat</th> <th>Frekvens</th> <th>Leveringer</th> </tr> -<tr> <td>Norges geologiske undersøkelse</td> <td>83.7527546296</td> <td>1</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Medietilsynet</td> <td>33.7527546296</td> <td>1</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Departementenes servicesenter</td> <td>23.8763773148</td> <td>2</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Kunnskapsdepartementet</td> <td>15.8763773148</td> <td>2</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Kompetansesenter for distriktsutvikling</td> <td>15.3763773148</td> <td>2</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Toll- og avgiftsdirektoratet</td> <td>15.3763773148</td> <td>2</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Fredskorpset</td> <td>12.5842515432</td> <td>3</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Statens legemiddelverk</td> <td>12.1881886574</td> <td>4</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Utlendingsnemnda</td> <td>11.5842515432</td> <td>3</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Politidirektoratet</td> <td>10.9175848765</td> <td>3</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Skattedirektoratet</td> <td>10.9175848765</td> <td>3</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Statens innkrevingssentral</td> <td>10.5842515432</td> <td>3</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Barne-, ungdoms- og familiedirektoratet</td> <td>10.2509182099</td> <td>3</td> </tr> -<tr> <td>Kunst i offentlige rom</td> <td>10.2509182099</td> <td>3</td> </tr> - -</table></p> - -<p>En kan beregne lignende frekvenser ved å sammenligne -journalføringsdato med publiseringsdato for hver enkelt oppføring i -OEP, men den lenken legger jeg ikke ved her for å unngå at -søkemotorroboter begynner å overbelaste Scraperwiki-databasen.</p> - -<p>Jeg har spurt Norges geologiske undersøkelse om hvorfor de leverer -så sjelden, og det kommer av at de har problemer etter oppgradering av -arkivsystemet sitt og jobber med å fikse det slik at de kan gå tilbake -til å levere hver uke. Har ikke undersøkt noen av de andre.</p> - - -