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-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Norgeskartet_p__mange_vis___via_OpenStreetmap_org.html">Norgeskartet på mange vis - via OpenStreetmap.org</a>
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu_development_gathering_and_General_Assembly_for_FRiSK.html">Debian Edu development gathering and General Assembly for FRiSK</a>

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-         1st November 2010
+        29th November 2010

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-        <p>Har oppdaget at mange ikke er klar over at OpenStreetmap.org er
-tilgjengelig i en rekke forskjellige formater.  Her er en liste med
-eksporter jeg kjenner til for Norge, for de som trenger et
-fribrukskart til sine tjenester:</p>
-
-<p><ul>
-
-<li>Cloudmade tilbyr OSM XML, Garmin Map Files, Osmosis country
-bounding polygon, Shapefile, Navit maps, GPX POI, TomTom POI og OSM
-XML feature extracts via
-<a href="http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe/norway">sine
-nedlastingssider</a>.</li>
-
-<li>Geofabric tilbyr
-<a href="http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.osm.bz2">OSM
-XML</a>,
-<a href="http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.osm.pbf">OSM
-protobuf binærformat</a> og
-<a href="http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.shp.zip">ESRI
-Shapefile (EPSG:4326)</a> fra sine nedlastingssider.</li>
-
-<li>Frikart.no tilbyr
-<a href="http://www.frikart.no/garmin/">Garmin-kart</a> i uike
-varianter for veibruk og turbruk sommer og vinter.</li>
-
-</ul></p>
+        <p>On friday, the first Debian Edu / Skolelinux
+<a href="http://www.friprogramvareiskolen.no/Gathering/2010-12-03-05-Oslo">development
+gathering</a> in a long time take place here in Oslo, Norway.  I
+really look forward to seeing all the good people working on the
+Squeeze release.  The gathering is open for everyone interested in
+learning more about Debian Edu / Skolelinux.</p>

 
 

-<p>Kartene oppdateres regelmessig, som oftest hver uke.  Det skulle
-dermed være noe for enhver smak.</p>
+<p>On Saturday, the Norwegian member organization taking care of
+organizing these development gatherings, Fri Programvare i Skolen,
+will hold its
+<a href="http://friprogramvareiskolen.no/Genfors/2010">General Assembly
+for 2010</a>.  Membership is open for all, and currently there are 388
+people registered as members.  Last year 32 members cast their vote in
+the memberdb based election system.  I hope more people find time to
+vote this year.</p>

 
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-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/kart">kart</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/web">web</a>.
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.

         
         
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-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Making_room_on_the_Debian_Edu_Sqeeze_DVD.html">Making room on the Debian Edu/Sqeeze DVD</a>
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Why_isn_t_Debian_Edu_using_VLC_.html">Why isn't Debian Edu using VLC?</a>

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-         7th November 2010
+        27th November 2010

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-        <p>Prioritising packages for the Debian Edu /
-<a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Skolelinux</a> DVD, which is
-supposed provide a school with all the services and user applications
-needed on the pupils computer network has always been hard.  Even
-schools without Internet connections should be able to get Debian Edu
-working using this DVD.</p>
-
-<p>The job became a lot harder when apt and aptitude started
-installing recommended packages by default.  We want the same set of
-packages to be installed when using the DVD and the netinst CD, and
-that means all recommended packages need to be on the DVD.  I created
-a patch for debian-cd in <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/601203">BTS
-report #601203</a> to do this, and since this change was applied to
-the Debian Edu DVD build, we have been seriously short on space.</p>
-
-<p>A few days ago we decided to drop blender, wxmaxima and kicad from
-the default installation to save space on the DVD, believing that
-those needing these applications are few and can get them from the
-Debian archive.</p>
+        <p>In the latest issue of Linux Journal, the readers choices were
+presented, and the winner among the multimedia player were VLC.
+Personally, I like VLC, and it is my player of choice when I first try
+to play a video file or stream.  Only if VLC fail will I drag out
+gmplayer to see if it can do better.  The reason is mostly the failure
+model and trust.  When VLC fail, it normally pop up a error message
+reporting the problem.  When mplayer fail, it normally segfault or
+just hangs.  The latter failure mode drain my trust in the program.<p>

 
 

-<p>Yesterday, I had a look what source packages to see which packages
-were using most space.  A few large packages are well know;
-openoffice.org, openclipart and fluid-soundfont.  But I also
-discovered that lilypond used 106 MiB and fglrx-driver used 53 MiB.
-The lilypond package is pulled in as a dependency for rosegarden, and
-when looking a bit closer I discovered that 99 MiB of the 106 MiB were
-the documentation package, which is recommended by the binary package.
-I decided to drop this documentation package from our DVD, as most of
-our users will use the GUI front-ends and do not need the lilypond
-documentation.  Similarly, I dropped the non-free fglrx-driver package
-which might be installed by d-i when its hardware is detected, as the
-free X driver should work.</p>
+<p>But even if VLC is my player of choice, we have choosen to use
+mplayer in <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Debian
+Edu/Skolelinux</a>.  The reason is simple.  We need a good browser
+plugin to play web videos seamlessly, and the VLC browser plugin is
+not very good.  For example, it lack in-line control buttons, so there
+is no way for the user to pause the video.  Also, when I
+<a href="http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/BrowserMultimedia">last
+tested the browser plugins</a> available in Debian, the VLC plugin
+failed on several video pages where mplayer based plugins worked.  If
+the browser plugin for VLC was as good as the gecko-mediaplayer
+package (which uses mplayer), we would switch.</P>

 
 

-<p>With this change, we finally got space for the LXDE and Gnome
-desktop packages as well as the language specific packages making the
-DVD more useful again.</p>
+<p>While VLC is a good player, its user interface is slightly
+annoying.  The most annoying feature is its inconsistent use of
+keyboard shortcuts.  When the player is in full screen mode, its
+shortcuts are different from when it is playing the video in a window.
+For example, space only work as pause when in full screen mode.  I
+wish it had consisten shortcuts and that space also would work when in
+window mode.  Another nice shortcut in gmplayer is [enter] to restart
+the current video.  It is very nice when playing short videos from the
+web and want to restart it when new people arrive to have a look at
+what is going on.</p>

 
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-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/multimedia">multimedia</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/video">video</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/web">web</a>.

         
         
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-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Datatilsynet_mangler_verkt_yet_som_trengs_for___kontrollere_kameraoverv_kning.html">Datatilsynet mangler verktøyet som trengs for å kontrollere kameraovervåkning</a>
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/DND_hedrer_overv_kning_av_barn_med_Rosingsprisen.html">DND hedrer overvåkning av barn med Rosingsprisen</a>

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+        23rd November 2010

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-        <p>En stund tilbake ble jeg oppmerksom på at Datatilsynets verktøy for
-å holde rede på overvåkningskamera i Norge ikke var egnet til annet
-enn å lage statistikk, og ikke kunne brukes for å kontrollere om et
-overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom er lovlig satt opp og
-registrert.  For å teste hypotesen sendte jeg for noen dager siden
-følgende spørsmål til datatilsynet.  Det omtalte kameraet står litt
-merkelig plassert i veigrøften ved gangstien langs Sandakerveien, og
-jeg lurer oppriktig på om det er lovlig plassert og registrert.</p>
-
-<p><blockquote>
-<p>Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:08:20 +0100
-<br>From: Petter Reinholdtsen &lt;pere (at) hungry.com&gt;
-<br>To: postkasse (at) datatilsynet.no
-<br>Subject: Er overvåkningskameraet korrekt registrert?</p>
-
-<p>Hei.</p>
-
-<p>I Nydalen i Oslo er det mange overvåkningskamera, og et av dem er
-spesielt merkelig plassert like over et kumlokk.  Jeg lurer på om
-dette kameraet er korrekt registrert og i henhold til lovverket.</p>
-
-<p>Finner ingen eierinformasjon på kameraet, og dermed heller ingenting å
-søke på i &lt;URL:
-<a href="http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_search.pl">http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_search.pl</a> &gt;.
-Kartreferanse for kameraet er tilgjengelig fra
-&lt;URL:
-<a href="http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/?zoom=17&lat=59.94918&lon=10.76962&layers=B0T">http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/?zoom=17&lat=59.94918&lon=10.76962&layers=B0T</a> &gt;.
-
-<p>Kan dere fortelle meg om dette kameraet er registrert hos
-Datatilsynet som det skal være i henhold til lovverket?</p>
-
-<p>Det hadde forresten vært fint om rådata fra kameraregisteret var
-tilgjengelig på web og regelmessig oppdatert, for å kunne søke på
-andre ting enn organisasjonsnavn og -nummer ved å laste det ned og
-gjøre egne søk.</p>
+        <p>Jeg registrerer med vond smak i munnen at Den Norske Dataforening
+<a
+href="http://www.dataforeningen.no/hedret-med-rosingprisen.4849070-133913.html">hedrer
+overvåkning av barn med Rosingsprisen for kreativitet i år</a>.  Jeg
+er glad jeg nå er meldt ut av DND.</p>

 
 

-<p>Vennlig hilsen,
-<br>--
-<br>Petter Reinholdtsen
-</blockquote></p>
+<p>Å elektronisk overvåke sine barn er ikke å gjøre dem en tjeneste,
+men et overgrep mot individer i utvikling som bør læres opp til å ta
+egne valg.</p>

 
 

-<p>Her er svaret som kom dagen etter:</p>
+<p>For å sitere Datatilsynets nye leder, Bjørn Erik Thon, i
+<a href="http://www.idg.no/computerworld/article174262.ece">et intervju
+med Computerworld Norge</A>:</p>

 
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-<p>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:44:09 +0100
-<br>From: "juridisk" &lt;juridisk (at) Datatilsynet.no&gt;
-<br>To: Petter Reinholdtsen
-<br>Subject: VS: Er overvåkningskameraet korrekt registrert?
-
-<p>Viser til e-post av 2. november.
-
-<p>Datatilsynet er det forvaltningsorganet som skal kontrollere at
-personopplysningsloven blir fulgt. Formålet med loven er å verne
-enkeltpersoner mot krenking av personvernet gjennom behandling av
-personopplysninger.</p>
-
-<p>Juridisk veiledningstjeneste hos Datatilsynet gir råd og veiledning
-omkring personopplysningslovens regler på generelt grunnlag.</p>
-
-<p>Datatilsynet har dessverre ikke en fullstendig oversikt over alle
-kameraer, den oversikten som finner er i vår meldingsdatabase som du
-finner her:
-<a href="http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____211.aspx">http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____211.aspx</a></p>
-
-<p>Denne databasen gir en oversikt over virksomheter som har meldt inn
-kameraovervåkning. Dersom man ikek vet hvilken virksomhet som er
-ansvarlig, er det heller ikke mulig for Datatilsynet å søke dette
-opp.</p>
-
-<p>Webkameraer som har så dårlig oppløsning at man ikke kan gjenkjenne
-enkeltpersoner er ikke meldepliktige, da dette ikke anses som
-kameraovervåkning i personopplysningslovens forstand. Dersom kameraet
-du sikter til er et slikt webkamera, vil det kanskje ikke finnes i
-meldingsdatabasen på grunn av dette.  Også dersom et kamera med god
-oppløsning ikke filmer mennesker, faller det utenfor loven.</p>
-
-<p>Datatilsynet har laget en veileder som gjennomgår når det er lov å
-overvåke med kamera, se lenke:
-<a href="http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____401.aspx">http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____401.aspx</a></p>
-
-<p>Dersom det ikke er klart hvem som er ansvarlig for kameraet, er det
-vanskelig for Datatilsynet å ta kontakt med den ansvarlige for å få
-avklart om kameraet er satt opp i tråd med tilsynets regelverk. Dersom
-du mener at kameraet ikke er lovlig ut fra informasjonen ovenfor, kan
-kameraet anmeldes til politiet.</p>
-
-<p>Med vennlig hilsen</p>
-
-<p>Maria Bakke
-<br>Juridisk veiledningstjeneste
-<br>Datatilsynet</p>
+- For alle som har barn, meg selv inkludert, er førstetanken at det
+hadde vært fint å vite hvor barnet sitt er til enhver tid. Men ungene
+har ikke godt av det. De er små individer som skal søke rundt og finne
+sine små gjemmesteder og utvide horisonten, uten at foreldrene ser dem
+i kortene. Det kan være fristende, men jeg ville ikke gått inn i
+dette.

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-<p>Personlig synes jeg det bør være krav om å registrere hvert eneste
-overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom hos Datatilsynet, med
-kartreferanse og begrunnelse om hvorfor det er satt opp, slik at
-enhver borger enkelt kan hente ut kart over områder vi er interessert
-i og sjekke om det er overvåkningskamera der som er satt opp uten å
-være registert.  Slike registreringer skal jo i dag fornyes
-regelmessing, noe jeg mistenker ikke blir gjort.  Dermed kan kamera
-som en gang var korrekt registrert nå være ulovlig satt opp.  Det
-burde også være bøter for å ha kamera som ikke er korrekt registrert,
-slik at en ikke kan ignorere registrering uten at det får
-konsekvenser.</p>
+<p>Det er skremmende å se at DND mener en tjeneste som legger opp til
+slike overgrep bør hedres.  Å flytte oppveksten for barn inn i en
+virtuell
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon">Panopticon</a> er et
+grovt overgrep og vil gjøre skade på barnenes utvikling, og foreldre
+burde tenke seg godt om før de gir etter for sine instinkter her.</p>

 
 

-<p>En ide fra England som jeg har sans (lite annet jeg har sans for
-når det gjelder overvåkningskamera i England) for er at enhver borger
-kan be om å få kopi av det som er tatt opp med et overvåkningskamera i
-det offentlige rom, noe som gjør at det kan komme løpende utgifter ved
-å sette overvåkningskamera.  Jeg tror alt som gjør det mindre
-attraktivt å ha overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom er en god
-ting, så et slikt lovverk i Norge tror jeg hadde vært nyttig.</p>
+<p>Blipper-tjenesten får meg til å tenke på bøkene til
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Twelve_Hawks">John Twelve
+Hawks</a>, som forbilledlig beskriver hvordan et totalitært
+overvåkningssamfunn bygges sakte men sikkert rundt oss, satt sammen av
+gode intensjoner og manglende bevissthet om hvilke prinsipper et
+liberalt demokrati er fundamentert på.  Jeg har hatt stor glede av å
+lese alle de tre bøkene.</p>

 
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-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/surveillance">surveillance</a>.
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-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_in_3D.html">Debian in 3D</a>
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-         9th November 2010
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-        <p><img src="http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/23/e0/c4/f9/2b/debswagtdose_preview_medium.jpg"></p>
-
-<p>3D printing is just great.  I just came across this Debian logo in
-3D linked in from
-<a href="http://blog.thingiverse.com/2010/11/09/participatory-branding/">the
-thingiverse blog</a>.</p>
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-        
-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/3d-printer">3d-printer</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
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-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Gjendikte_sangen__Copying_Is_Not_Theft__p__Norsk_.html">Gjendikte sangen "Copying Is Not Theft" på Norsk?</a>
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-        10th November 2010
-      </div>
-      <div class="body">
-        <p>En genial liten sang om kopiering og tyveri er
-<a href="http://www.archive.org/details/CopyingIsNotTheft">Copying Is
-Not Theft</a> av Nina Paley.  Den vil jeg at
-<a href="http://www.nuug.no/">NUUG</a> skal sende på
-<a href="http://www.frikanalen.no/">Frikanalen</a>, men først må vi
-fikse norske undertekster eller dubbing.  Og i og med at det er en
-sang, tror jeg den kanskje bør gjendiktes.
-
-Selve teksten finner en på bloggen til
-<a href="http://blog.ninapaley.com/2009/12/15/minute-meme-1-copying-is-not-theft/">tekstforfatteren</a> og den ser slik ut:
-
-<p><blockquote>
-<p>Copying is not theft.
-<br>Stealing a thing leaves one less left
-<br>Copying it makes one thing more;
-<br>that's what copying's for.</p>
-
-<p>Copying is not theft.
-<br>If I copy yours you have it too
-<br>One for me and one for you
-<br>That's what copies can do</p>
-
-<p>If I steal your bicycle
-<br>you have to take the bus,
-<br>but if I just copy it
-<br>there's one for each of us!</p>
-
-<p>Making more of a thing,
-<br>that is what we call "copying"
-<br>Sharing ideas with everyone
-<br>That's why copying
-<br>is
-<br>FUN!</p>
-</blockquote></p>
-
-<p>Her er et naivt forsøk på oversettelse, uten noe forsøk på
-gjendiktning eller få det til å flyte sammen med melodien.</p>
-
-<p><blockquote>
-<p>Kopiering er ikke tyveri.
-<br>Stjeler du en ting er det en mindre igjen
-<br>Kopier den og det er ting til.
-<br>det er derfor vi har kopiering.</p>
-
-<p>Kopiering er ikke tyveri.
-<br>Hvis jeg kopierer din så har du den fortsatt
-<br>En for meg og en for deg.
-<br>Det er det kopier gir oss</p>
-
-<p>Hvis jeg stjeler sykkelen din
-<br>så må du ta bussen,
-<br>men hvis jeg bare kopierer den,
-<br>så får vi hver vår!</p>
-
-<p>Lage mer av en ting,
-<br>det er det vi kaller "kopiering".
-<br>Deler ideer med enhver
-<br>Det er derfor kopiering
-<br>er
-<br>MORSOMT!</p>
-</blockquote></p>
-
-<p>Hvis du har forslag til bedre oversettelse eller lyst til å bidra
-til å få denne sangen over i norsk språkdrakt, ta kontakt med video
-(at) nuug.no.</p>
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-        
-        
-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/fildeling">fildeling</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/frikanalen">frikanalen</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>.
-        
-        
-      </div>
-    </div>
-    <div class="padding"></div>
-    
-    <div class="entry">
-      <div class="title">
-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/N__er_74_norske_overv_kningskamera_registert_i_OpenStreetmap_org.html">Nå er 74 norske overvåkningskamera registert i OpenStreetmap.org</a>
-      </div>
-      <div class="date">
-        18th November 2010
-      </div>
-      <div class="body">
-        <p>Jeg oppdaterte nettopp kartet med overvåkningskamera som
-<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Kart_over_overv__kningskamera_i_Norge.html">jeg
-startet</a> for ca. et og et halvt år siden, og nå er det 74 kamera på
-plass.  I prosessen med å oppdatere kartet oppdaget jeg ved en
-tilfeldighet at webreferansen til registermeldingen hos Datatilsynet
-nå ikke lenger er gyldig (se
-<a href="http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_view.pl?id=31062">tidligere
-melding</a>).  Antar Datatilsynet fjerner utdaterte meldinger fra
-databasen.  Konsekvensen blir at kameraoversikten i OSM må ha med
-søkekriteriene som ble brukt for å finne registermeldingen
-(dvs. virksomhetsnavn og organisasjonsnummer), slik at eventuelt nye
-meldinger for samme kamera kan finnes igjen.</p>
-
-<p>Det er dukket opp kamera på
-<a href="http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/">kartet</a>
-i Bergensområdet, Stavangerområdet, Osloområdet, Gjøvikområdet og i
-Troms.  Mange områder og kamera mangler, og jeg er overbevist om at
-bare en brøkdel av den enorme mengden kamera som nå finnes i det
-offentlige rom er registrert så langt.  Instrukser for å legge inn
-kamera finnes på websiden for kartet hos
-<a href="http://personvern.no/wiki/index.php/Kameraovervåkning">personvernforeningen</a>.</p>
-
-      </div>
-      <div class="tags">
-        
-        
-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/surveillance">surveillance</a>.
-        
-        
-      </div>
-    </div>
-    <div class="padding"></div>
-    
-    <div class="entry">
-      <div class="title">
-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Gnash_buildbot_slave_and_Debian_kfreebsd.html">Gnash buildbot slave and Debian kfreebsd</a>
-      </div>
-      <div class="date">
-        20th November 2010
-      </div>
-      <div class="body">
-        <p>Answering
-<a href="http://www.listware.net/201011/gnash-dev/67431-gnash-dev-buildbot-looking-for-slaves.html">the
-call from the Gnash project</a> for
-<a href="http://www.gnashdev.org:8010">buildbot</a> slaves to test the
-current source, I have set up a virtual KVM machine on the Debian
-Edu/Skolelinux virtualization host to test the git source on
-Debian/Squeeze.  I hope this can help the developers in getting new
-releases out more often.</p>
-
-<p>As the developers want less main-stream build platforms tested to,
-I have considered setting up a <a
-href="http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/">Debian/kfreebsd</a>
-machine as well.  I have also considered using the kfreebsd
-architecture in Debian as a file server in NUUG to get access to the 5
-TB zfs volume we currently use to store DV video.  Because of this, I
-finally got around to do a test installation of Debian/Squeeze with
-kfreebsd.  Installation went fairly smooth, thought I noticed some
-visual glitches in the cdebconf dialogs (black cursor left on the
-screen at random locations).  Have not gotten very far with the
-testing.  Noticed cfdisk did not work, but fdisk did so it was not a
-fatal problem.  Have to spend some more time on it to see if it is
-useful as a file server for NUUG.  Will try to find time to set up a
-gnash buildbot slave on the Debian Edu/Skolelinux this weekend.</p>
-
-      </div>
-      <div class="tags">
-        
-        
-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>.

         
         
       </div>
         
         
       </div>


@@ -455,119 +166,250 @@ gnash buildbot slave on the Debian Edu/Skolelinux this weekend.</p>
     
     <div class="entry">
       <div class="title">
     
     <div class="entry">
       <div class="title">

-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades__apt_vs_aptitude_with_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop.html">Lenny->Squeeze upgrades, apt vs aptitude with the Gnome and KDE desktop</a>
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades_of_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop__now_with_apt_get_autoremove.html">Lenny->Squeeze upgrades of the Gnome and KDE desktop, now with apt-get autoremove</a>

       </div>
       <div class="date">
       </div>
       <div class="date">

-        20th November 2010
+        22nd November 2010

       </div>
       <div class="body">
       </div>
       <div class="body">

-        <p>I'm still running upgrade testing of the
+        <p>Michael Biebl suggested to me on IRC, that I changed my automated
+upgrade testing of the

 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian-upgrade-testing/">Lenny
 <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian-upgrade-testing/">Lenny

-Gnome and KDE Desktop</a>, but have not had time to spend on reporting the
-status.  Here is a short update based on a test I ran 20101118.</p>
-
-<p>I still do not know what a correct migration should look like, so I
-report any differences between apt and aptitude and hope someone else
-can see if anything should be changed.</p>
+Gnome and KDE Desktop</a> to do <tt>apt-get autoremove</tt> when using apt-get.
+This seem like a very good idea, so I adjusted by test scripts and
+can now present the updated result from today:</p>

 
 <p>This is for Gnome:</p>
 
 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>
 
 <p>This is for Gnome:</p>
 
 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  apache2.2-bin aptdaemon at-spi baobab binfmt-support
-  browser-plugin-gnash cheese-common cli-common cpp-4.3 cups-pk-helper
-  dmz-cursor-theme empathy empathy-common finger
-  freedesktop-sound-theme freeglut3 gconf-defaults-service gdm-themes
-  gedit-plugins geoclue geoclue-hostip geoclue-localnet geoclue-manual
-  geoclue-yahoo gnash gnash-common gnome gnome-backgrounds
-  gnome-cards-data gnome-codec-install gnome-core
-  gnome-desktop-environment gnome-disk-utility gnome-screenshot
-  gnome-search-tool gnome-session-canberra gnome-spell
-  gnome-system-log gnome-themes-extras gnome-themes-more
-  gnome-user-share gs-common gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
-  gstreamer0.10-tools gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-pixbuf
-  gtk2-engines-smooth hal-info hamster-applet libapache2-mod-dnssd
-  libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap
-  libart2.0-cil libatspi1.0-0 libboost-date-time1.42.0
-  libboost-python1.42.0 libboost-thread1.42.0 libchamplain-0.4-0
-  libchamplain-gtk-0.4-0 libcheese-gtk18 libclutter-gtk-0.10-0
-  libcryptui0 libcupsys2 libdiscid0 libeel2-data libelf1 libepc-1.0-2
-  libepc-common libepc-ui-1.0-2 libfreerdp-plugins-standard
-  libfreerdp0 libgail-common libgconf2.0-cil libgdata-common libgdata7
-  libgdl-1-common libgdu-gtk0 libgee2 libgeoclue0 libgexiv2-0 libgif4
-  libglade2.0-cil libglib2.0-cil libgmime2.4-cil libgnome-vfs2.0-cil
-  libgnome2.24-cil libgnomepanel2.24-cil libgnomeprint2.2-data
-  libgnomeprintui2.2-common libgnomevfs2-bin libgpod-common libgpod4
-  libgtk2.0-cil libgtkglext1 libgtksourceview-common
-  libgtksourceview2.0-common libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
-  libmono-addins0.2-cil libmono-cairo2.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil
-  libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil libmono-posix2.0-cil
-  libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
-  libmono-system2.0-cil libmtp8 libmusicbrainz3-6
-  libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil libndesk-dbus1.0-cil libopal3.6.8
-  libpolkit-gtk-1-0 libpt-1.10.10-plugins-alsa
-  libpt-1.10.10-plugins-v4l libpt2.6.7 libpython2.6 librpm1 librpmio1
-  libsdl1.2debian libservlet2.4-java libsrtp0 libssh-4
-  libtelepathy-farsight0 libtelepathy-glib0 libtidy-0.99-0
-  libxalan2-java libxerces2-java media-player-info mesa-utils
-  mono-2.0-gac mono-gac mono-runtime nautilus-sendto
-  nautilus-sendto-empathy openoffice.org-writer2latex
-  openssl-blacklist p7zip p7zip-full pkg-config python-4suite-xml
-  python-aptdaemon python-aptdaemon-gtk python-axiom
-  python-beautifulsoup python-bugbuddy python-clientform
-  python-coherence python-configobj python-crypto python-cupshelpers
-  python-cupsutils python-eggtrayicon python-elementtree
-  python-epsilon python-evolution python-feedparser python-gdata
-  python-gdbm python-gst0.10 python-gtkglext1 python-gtkmozembed
-  python-gtksourceview2 python-httplib2 python-louie python-mako
-  python-markupsafe python-mechanize python-nevow python-notify
-  python-opengl python-openssl python-pam python-pkg-resources
-  python-pyasn1 python-pysqlite2 python-rdflib python-serial
-  python-tagpy python-twisted-bin python-twisted-conch
-  python-twisted-core python-twisted-web python-utidylib python-webkit
-  python-xdg python-zope.interface remmina remmina-plugin-data
-  remmina-plugin-rdp remmina-plugin-vnc rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
-  rhythmbox-plugins rpm-common rpm2cpio seahorse-plugins shotwell
-  software-center svgalibg1 system-config-printer-udev
-  telepathy-gabble telepathy-mission-control-5 telepathy-salut tomboy
-  totem totem-coherence totem-mozilla totem-plugins
-  transmission-common xdg-user-dirs xdg-user-dirs-gtk xserver-xephyr
-  zip
+  apache2.2-bin
+  aptdaemon
+  baobab
+  binfmt-support
+  browser-plugin-gnash
+  cheese-common
+  cli-common
+  cups-pk-helper
+  dmz-cursor-theme
+  empathy
+  empathy-common
+  freedesktop-sound-theme
+  freeglut3
+  gconf-defaults-service
+  gdm-themes
+  gedit-plugins
+  geoclue
+  geoclue-hostip
+  geoclue-localnet
+  geoclue-manual
+  geoclue-yahoo
+  gnash
+  gnash-common
+  gnome
+  gnome-backgrounds
+  gnome-cards-data
+  gnome-codec-install
+  gnome-core
+  gnome-desktop-environment
+  gnome-disk-utility
+  gnome-screenshot
+  gnome-search-tool
+  gnome-session-canberra
+  gnome-system-log
+  gnome-themes-extras
+  gnome-themes-more
+  gnome-user-share
+  gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
+  gstreamer0.10-tools
+  gtk2-engines
+  gtk2-engines-pixbuf
+  gtk2-engines-smooth
+  hamster-applet
+  libapache2-mod-dnssd
+  libapr1
+  libaprutil1
+  libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3
+  libaprutil1-ldap
+  libart2.0-cil
+  libboost-date-time1.42.0
+  libboost-python1.42.0
+  libboost-thread1.42.0
+  libchamplain-0.4-0
+  libchamplain-gtk-0.4-0
+  libcheese-gtk18
+  libclutter-gtk-0.10-0
+  libcryptui0
+  libdiscid0
+  libelf1
+  libepc-1.0-2
+  libepc-common
+  libepc-ui-1.0-2
+  libfreerdp-plugins-standard
+  libfreerdp0
+  libgconf2.0-cil
+  libgdata-common
+  libgdata7
+  libgdu-gtk0
+  libgee2
+  libgeoclue0
+  libgexiv2-0
+  libgif4
+  libglade2.0-cil
+  libglib2.0-cil
+  libgmime2.4-cil
+  libgnome-vfs2.0-cil
+  libgnome2.24-cil
+  libgnomepanel2.24-cil
+  libgpod-common
+  libgpod4
+  libgtk2.0-cil
+  libgtkglext1
+  libgtksourceview2.0-common
+  libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
+  libmono-addins0.2-cil
+  libmono-cairo2.0-cil
+  libmono-corlib2.0-cil
+  libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil
+  libmono-posix2.0-cil
+  libmono-security2.0-cil
+  libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
+  libmono-system2.0-cil
+  libmtp8
+  libmusicbrainz3-6
+  libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil
+  libndesk-dbus1.0-cil
+  libopal3.6.8
+  libpolkit-gtk-1-0
+  libpt2.6.7
+  libpython2.6
+  librpm1
+  librpmio1
+  libsdl1.2debian
+  libsrtp0
+  libssh-4
+  libtelepathy-farsight0
+  libtelepathy-glib0
+  libtidy-0.99-0
+  media-player-info
+  mesa-utils
+  mono-2.0-gac
+  mono-gac
+  mono-runtime
+  nautilus-sendto
+  nautilus-sendto-empathy
+  p7zip-full
+  pkg-config
+  python-aptdaemon
+  python-aptdaemon-gtk
+  python-axiom
+  python-beautifulsoup
+  python-bugbuddy
+  python-clientform
+  python-coherence
+  python-configobj
+  python-crypto
+  python-cupshelpers
+  python-elementtree
+  python-epsilon
+  python-evolution
+  python-feedparser
+  python-gdata
+  python-gdbm
+  python-gst0.10
+  python-gtkglext1
+  python-gtksourceview2
+  python-httplib2
+  python-louie
+  python-mako
+  python-markupsafe
+  python-mechanize
+  python-nevow
+  python-notify
+  python-opengl
+  python-openssl
+  python-pam
+  python-pkg-resources
+  python-pyasn1
+  python-pysqlite2
+  python-rdflib
+  python-serial
+  python-tagpy
+  python-twisted-bin
+  python-twisted-conch
+  python-twisted-core
+  python-twisted-web
+  python-utidylib
+  python-webkit
+  python-xdg
+  python-zope.interface
+  remmina
+  remmina-plugin-data
+  remmina-plugin-rdp
+  remmina-plugin-vnc
+  rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
+  rhythmbox-plugins
+  rpm-common
+  rpm2cpio
+  seahorse-plugins
+  shotwell
+  software-center
+  system-config-printer-udev
+  telepathy-gabble
+  telepathy-mission-control-5
+  telepathy-salut
+  tomboy
+  totem
+  totem-coherence
+  totem-mozilla
+  totem-plugins
+  transmission-common
+  xdg-user-dirs
+  xdg-user-dirs-gtk
+  xserver-xephyr

 </p></blockquote>
 
 </p></blockquote>
 

-Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude
+<p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>

 
 <blockquote><p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  arj bluez-utils cheese dhcdbd djvulibre-desktop ekiga eog
-  epiphany-extensions epiphany-gecko evolution-exchange
-  fast-user-switch-applet file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdm gedit
-  gedit-common gnome-app-install gnome-games gnome-games-data
-  gnome-nettool gnome-system-tools gnome-themes gnome-utils
-  gnome-vfs-obexftp gnome-volume-manager gnuchess gucharmap
-  guile-1.8-libs hal libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-core5
-  libavahi-ui0 libbind9-50 libbluetooth2 libcamel1.2-11 libcdio7
-  libcucul0 libcurl3 libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdmx1 libdvdread3
-  libedata-cal1.2-6 libedataserver1.2-9 libeel2-2.20 libepc-1.0-1
-  libepc-ui-1.0-1 libexchange-storage1.2-3 libfaad0 libgadu3
-  libgalago3 libgd2-noxpm libgda3-3 libgda3-common libggz2 libggzcore9
-  libggzmod4 libgksu1.2-0 libgksuui1.0-1 libgmyth0 libgnome-desktop-2
-  libgnome-pilot2 libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0
-  libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libgpod3 libgraphviz4 libgtk-vnc-1.0-0
-  libgtkhtml2-0 libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-0
-  libgucharmap6 libhesiod0 libicu38 libisccc50 libisccfg50 libiw29
-  libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libkpathsea4 liblircclient0 libltdl3 liblwres50
-  libmagick++10 libmagick10 libmalaga7 libmozjs1d libmpfr1ldbl libmtp7
-  libmysqlclient15off libnautilus-burn4 libneon27 libnm-glib0
-  libnm-util0 libopal-2.2 libosp5 libparted1.8-10 libpisock9
-  libpisync1 libpoppler-glib3 libpoppler3 libpt-1.10.10 libraw1394-8
-  libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsensors3 libsexy2 libsmbios2 libsoup2.2-8
-  libspeexdsp1 libssh2-1 libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libsvga1
-  libswfdec-0.6-90 libtalloc1 libtotem-plparser10 libtrackerclient0
-  libvoikko1 libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java-gcj libxklavier12
-  libxtrap6 libxxf86misc1 libzephyr3 mysql-common rhythmbox seahorse
-  sound-juicer swfdec-gnome system-config-printer totem-common
-  totem-gstreamer transmission-gtk vinagre vino w3c-dtd-xhtml wodim
+  cheese
+  ekiga
+  eog
+  epiphany-extensions
+  evolution-exchange
+  fast-user-switch-applet
+  file-roller
+  gcalctool
+  gconf-editor
+  gdm
+  gedit
+  gedit-common
+  gnome-games
+  gnome-games-data
+  gnome-nettool
+  gnome-system-tools
+  gnome-themes
+  gnuchess
+  gucharmap
+  guile-1.8-libs
+  libavahi-ui0
+  libdmx1
+  libgalago3
+  libgtk-vnc-1.0-0
+  libgtksourceview2.0-0
+  liblircclient0
+  libsdl1.2debian-alsa
+  libspeexdsp1
+  libsvga1
+  rhythmbox
+  seahorse
+  sound-juicer
+  system-config-printer
+  totem-common
+  transmission-gtk
+  vinagre
+  vino

 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>


@@ -587,94 +429,187 @@ Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude
 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>
 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  autopoint bomber bovo cantor cantor-backend-kalgebra cpp-4.3 dcoprss
-  edict espeak espeak-data eyesapplet fifteenapplet finger gettext
-  ghostscript-x git gnome-audio gnugo granatier gs-common
-  gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio indi kaddressbook-plugins kalgebra
-  kalzium-data kanjidic kapman kate-plugins kblocks kbreakout kbstate
-  kde-icons-mono kdeaccessibility kdeaddons-kfile-plugins
-  kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-misc kdeartwork-theme-window
-  kdeedu kdeedu-data kdeedu-kvtml-data kdegames kdegames-card-data
-  kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelirc
-  kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
-  kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins kdessh kdetoys kdewebdev
-  kdiamond kdnssd kfilereplace kfourinline kgeography-data kigo
-  killbots kiriki klettres-data kmoon kmrml knewsticker-scripts
-  kollision kpf krosspython ksirk ksmserver ksquares kstars-data
-  ksudoku kubrick kweather libasound2-plugins libboost-python1.42.0
-  libcfitsio3 libconvert-binhex-perl libcrypt-ssleay-perl libdb4.6++
-  libdjvulibre-text libdotconf1.0 liberror-perl libespeak1
-  libfinance-quote-perl libgail-common libgsl0ldbl libhtml-parser-perl
-  libhtml-tableextract-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl
-  libio-stringy-perl libkdeedu4 libkdegames5 libkiten4 libkpathsea5
-  libkrossui4 libmailtools-perl libmime-tools-perl
-  libnews-nntpclient-perl libopenbabel3 libportaudio2 libpulse-browse0
-  libservlet2.4-java libspeechd2 libtiff-tools libtimedate-perl
-  libunistring0 liburi-perl libwww-perl libxalan2-java libxerces2-java
-  lirc luatex marble networkstatus noatun-plugins
-  openoffice.org-writer2latex palapeli palapeli-data parley
-  parley-data poster psutils pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat
-  pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-utils quanta-data rocs rsync
-  speech-dispatcher step svgalibg1 texlive-binaries texlive-luatex
-  ttf-sazanami-gothic
+  ksmserver

 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>
 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  amor artsbuilder atlantik atlantikdesigner blinken bluez-utils cvs
-  dhcdbd djvulibre-desktop imlib-base imlib11 kalzium kanagram kandy
-  kasteroids katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kbounce kbruch
-  kcron kdat kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data kdeprint kdict kdvi kedit
-  keduca kenolaba kfax kfaxview kfouleggs kgeography kghostview
-  kgoldrunner khangman khexedit kiconedit kig kimagemapeditor
-  kitchensync kiten kjumpingcube klatin klettres klickety klines
-  klinkstatus kmag kmahjongg kmailcvt kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmines
-  kmousetool kmouth kmplot knetwalk kodo kolf kommander konquest kooka
-  kpager kpat kpdf kpercentage kpilot kpoker kpovmodeler krec
-  kregexpeditor kreversi ksame ksayit kshisen ksig ksim ksirc ksirtet
-  ksmiletris ksnake ksokoban kspaceduel kstars ksvg ksysv kteatime
-  ktip ktnef ktouch ktron kttsd ktuberling kturtle ktux kuickshow
-  kverbos kview kviewshell kvoctrain kwifimanager kwin kwin4 kwordquiz
-  kworldclock kxsldbg libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1-audiofile
-  libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
-  libavahi-core5 libavc1394-0 libbind9-50 libbluetooth2
-  libboost-python1.34.1 libcucul0 libcurl3 libcvsservice0
-  libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdjvulibre21 libdvdread3 libfaad0 libfreebob0
-  libgd2-noxpm libgraphviz4 libgsmme1c2a libgtkhtml2-0 libicu38
-  libiec61883-0 libindex0 libisccc50 libisccfg50 libiw29
-  libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libk3b3 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdeedu3
-  libkdegames1 libkdepim1a libkgantt0 libkleopatra1 libkmime2
-  libkpathsea4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
-  libksieve0 libktnef1 liblockdev1 libltdl3 liblwres50 libmagick10
-  libmimelib1c2a libmodplug0c2 libmozjs1d libmpcdec3 libmpfr1ldbl
-  libneon27 libnm-util0 libopensync0 libpisock9 libpoppler-glib3
-  libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler3 libraw1394-8 librss1 libsensors3
-  libsmbios2 libssh2-1 libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libswfdec-0.6-90
-  libtalloc1 libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java-gcj libxtrap6 lskat
-  mpeglib network-manager-kde noatun pmount tex-common texlive-base
-  texlive-common texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-recommended tidy
-  ttf-dustin ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-sjfonts
+  kwin
+  network-manager-kde

 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>
 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  dolphin kde-core kde-plasma-desktop kde-standard kde-window-manager
-  kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-apps kdebase-workspace
-  kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdeutils kscreensaver
-  kscreensaver-xsavers libgle3 libkonq5 libkonq5-templates libnetpbm10
-  netpbm plasma-widget-folderview plasma-widget-networkmanagement
-  xscreensaver-data-extra xscreensaver-gl xscreensaver-gl-extra
+  arts
+  dolphin
+  freespacenotifier
+  google-gadgets-gst
+  google-gadgets-xul
+  kappfinder
+  kcalc
+  kcharselect
+  kde-core
+  kde-plasma-desktop
+  kde-standard
+  kde-window-manager
+  kdeartwork
+  kdeartwork-emoticons
+  kdeartwork-style
+  kdeartwork-theme-icon
+  kdebase
+  kdebase-apps
+  kdebase-workspace
+  kdebase-workspace-bin
+  kdebase-workspace-data
+  kdeeject
+  kdelibs
+  kdeplasma-addons
+  kdeutils
+  kdewallpapers
+  kdf
+  kfloppy
+  kgpg
+  khelpcenter4
+  kinfocenter
+  konq-plugins-l10n
+  konqueror-nsplugins
+  kscreensaver
+  kscreensaver-xsavers
+  ktimer
+  kwrite
+  libgle3
+  libkde4-ruby1.8
+  libkonq5
+  libkonq5-templates
+  libnetpbm10
+  libplasma-ruby
+  libplasma-ruby1.8
+  libqt4-ruby1.8
+  marble-data
+  marble-plugins
+  netpbm
+  nuvola-icon-theme
+  plasma-dataengines-workspace
+  plasma-desktop
+  plasma-desktopthemes-artwork
+  plasma-runners-addons
+  plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets
+  plasma-scriptengine-python
+  plasma-scriptengine-qedje
+  plasma-scriptengine-ruby
+  plasma-scriptengine-webkit
+  plasma-scriptengines
+  plasma-wallpapers-addons
+  plasma-widget-folderview
+  plasma-widget-networkmanagement
+  ruby
+  sweeper
+  update-notifier-kde
+  xscreensaver-data-extra
+  xscreensaver-gl
+  xscreensaver-gl-extra

   xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod
 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>
   xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod
 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  kdebase-bin konq-plugins konqueror
+  ark
+  google-gadgets-common
+  google-gadgets-qt
+  htdig
+  kate
+  kdebase-bin
+  kdebase-data
+  kdepasswd
+  kfind
+  klipper
+  konq-plugins
+  konqueror
+  ksysguard
+  ksysguardd
+  libarchive1
+  libcln6
+  libeet1
+  libeina-svn-06
+  libggadget-1.0-0b
+  libggadget-qt-1.0-0b
+  libgps19
+  libkdecorations4
+  libkephal4
+  libkonq4
+  libkonqsidebarplugin4a
+  libkscreensaver5
+  libksgrd4
+  libksignalplotter4
+  libkunitconversion4
+  libkwineffects1a
+  libmarblewidget4
+  libntrack-qt4-1
+  libntrack0
+  libplasma-geolocation-interface4
+  libplasmaclock4a
+  libplasmagenericshell4
+  libprocesscore4a
+  libprocessui4a
+  libqalculate5
+  libqedje0a
+  libqtruby4shared2
+  libqzion0a
+  libruby1.8
+  libscim8c2a
+  libsmokekdecore4-3
+  libsmokekdeui4-3
+  libsmokekfile3
+  libsmokekhtml3
+  libsmokekio3
+  libsmokeknewstuff2-3
+  libsmokeknewstuff3-3
+  libsmokekparts3
+  libsmokektexteditor3
+  libsmokekutils3
+  libsmokenepomuk3
+  libsmokephonon3
+  libsmokeplasma3
+  libsmokeqtcore4-3
+  libsmokeqtdbus4-3
+  libsmokeqtgui4-3
+  libsmokeqtnetwork4-3
+  libsmokeqtopengl4-3
+  libsmokeqtscript4-3
+  libsmokeqtsql4-3
+  libsmokeqtsvg4-3
+  libsmokeqttest4-3
+  libsmokeqtuitools4-3
+  libsmokeqtwebkit4-3
+  libsmokeqtxml4-3
+  libsmokesolid3
+  libsmokesoprano3
+  libtaskmanager4a
+  libtidy-0.99-0
+  libweather-ion4a
+  libxklavier16
+  libxxf86misc1
+  okteta
+  oxygencursors
+  plasma-dataengines-addons
+  plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba
+  plasma-widget-lancelot
+  plasma-widgets-addons
+  plasma-widgets-workspace
+  polkit-kde-1
+  ruby1.8
+  systemsettings
+  update-notifier-common

 </p></blockquote>
 
 </p></blockquote>
 

+<p>Running apt-get autoremove made the results using apt-get and
+aptitude a bit more similar, but there are still quite a lott of
+differences.  I have no idea what packages should be installed after
+the upgrade, but hope those that do can have a look.</p>
+

       </div>
       <div class="tags">
         
       </div>
       <div class="tags">
         


@@ -755,537 +690,583 @@ dd if=/dev/vg_data/$host-disk of=/dev/mapper/loop0p1 bs=1M
 fsck.ext3 -f /dev/mapper/loop0p1 || true
 mkswap /dev/mapper/loop0p2
 
 fsck.ext3 -f /dev/mapper/loop0p1 || true
 mkswap /dev/mapper/loop0p2
 

-kpartx -d /dev/loop0
-losetup -d /dev/loop0
-</pre>
+kpartx -d /dev/loop0
+losetup -d /dev/loop0
+</pre>
+
+<p>The script is perhaps so simple that it is not copyrightable, but
+if it is, it is licenced using GPL v2 or later at your discretion.</p>
+
+<p>After doing this, I booted a Debian CD in rescue mode in KVM with
+the new disk image attached, installed grub-pc and linux-image-686 and
+set up grub to boot from the disk image.  After this, the KVM machines
+seem to work just fine.</p>
+
+      </div>
+      <div class="tags">
+        
+        
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
+        
+        
+      </div>
+    </div>
+    <div class="padding"></div>
+    
+    <div class="entry">
+      <div class="title">
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades__apt_vs_aptitude_with_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop.html">Lenny->Squeeze upgrades, apt vs aptitude with the Gnome and KDE desktop</a>
+      </div>
+      <div class="date">
+        20th November 2010
+      </div>
+      <div class="body">
+        <p>I'm still running upgrade testing of the
+<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian-upgrade-testing/">Lenny
+Gnome and KDE Desktop</a>, but have not had time to spend on reporting the
+status.  Here is a short update based on a test I ran 20101118.</p>
+
+<p>I still do not know what a correct migration should look like, so I
+report any differences between apt and aptitude and hope someone else
+can see if anything should be changed.</p>
+
+<p>This is for Gnome:</p>
+
+<p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
+
+<blockquote><p>
+  apache2.2-bin aptdaemon at-spi baobab binfmt-support
+  browser-plugin-gnash cheese-common cli-common cpp-4.3 cups-pk-helper
+  dmz-cursor-theme empathy empathy-common finger
+  freedesktop-sound-theme freeglut3 gconf-defaults-service gdm-themes
+  gedit-plugins geoclue geoclue-hostip geoclue-localnet geoclue-manual
+  geoclue-yahoo gnash gnash-common gnome gnome-backgrounds
+  gnome-cards-data gnome-codec-install gnome-core
+  gnome-desktop-environment gnome-disk-utility gnome-screenshot
+  gnome-search-tool gnome-session-canberra gnome-spell
+  gnome-system-log gnome-themes-extras gnome-themes-more
+  gnome-user-share gs-common gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
+  gstreamer0.10-tools gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-pixbuf
+  gtk2-engines-smooth hal-info hamster-applet libapache2-mod-dnssd
+  libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap
+  libart2.0-cil libatspi1.0-0 libboost-date-time1.42.0
+  libboost-python1.42.0 libboost-thread1.42.0 libchamplain-0.4-0
+  libchamplain-gtk-0.4-0 libcheese-gtk18 libclutter-gtk-0.10-0
+  libcryptui0 libcupsys2 libdiscid0 libeel2-data libelf1 libepc-1.0-2
+  libepc-common libepc-ui-1.0-2 libfreerdp-plugins-standard
+  libfreerdp0 libgail-common libgconf2.0-cil libgdata-common libgdata7
+  libgdl-1-common libgdu-gtk0 libgee2 libgeoclue0 libgexiv2-0 libgif4
+  libglade2.0-cil libglib2.0-cil libgmime2.4-cil libgnome-vfs2.0-cil
+  libgnome2.24-cil libgnomepanel2.24-cil libgnomeprint2.2-data
+  libgnomeprintui2.2-common libgnomevfs2-bin libgpod-common libgpod4
+  libgtk2.0-cil libgtkglext1 libgtksourceview-common
+  libgtksourceview2.0-common libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
+  libmono-addins0.2-cil libmono-cairo2.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil
+  libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil libmono-posix2.0-cil
+  libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
+  libmono-system2.0-cil libmtp8 libmusicbrainz3-6
+  libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil libndesk-dbus1.0-cil libopal3.6.8
+  libpolkit-gtk-1-0 libpt-1.10.10-plugins-alsa
+  libpt-1.10.10-plugins-v4l libpt2.6.7 libpython2.6 librpm1 librpmio1
+  libsdl1.2debian libservlet2.4-java libsrtp0 libssh-4
+  libtelepathy-farsight0 libtelepathy-glib0 libtidy-0.99-0
+  libxalan2-java libxerces2-java media-player-info mesa-utils
+  mono-2.0-gac mono-gac mono-runtime nautilus-sendto
+  nautilus-sendto-empathy openoffice.org-writer2latex
+  openssl-blacklist p7zip p7zip-full pkg-config python-4suite-xml
+  python-aptdaemon python-aptdaemon-gtk python-axiom
+  python-beautifulsoup python-bugbuddy python-clientform
+  python-coherence python-configobj python-crypto python-cupshelpers
+  python-cupsutils python-eggtrayicon python-elementtree
+  python-epsilon python-evolution python-feedparser python-gdata
+  python-gdbm python-gst0.10 python-gtkglext1 python-gtkmozembed
+  python-gtksourceview2 python-httplib2 python-louie python-mako
+  python-markupsafe python-mechanize python-nevow python-notify
+  python-opengl python-openssl python-pam python-pkg-resources
+  python-pyasn1 python-pysqlite2 python-rdflib python-serial
+  python-tagpy python-twisted-bin python-twisted-conch
+  python-twisted-core python-twisted-web python-utidylib python-webkit
+  python-xdg python-zope.interface remmina remmina-plugin-data
+  remmina-plugin-rdp remmina-plugin-vnc rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
+  rhythmbox-plugins rpm-common rpm2cpio seahorse-plugins shotwell
+  software-center svgalibg1 system-config-printer-udev
+  telepathy-gabble telepathy-mission-control-5 telepathy-salut tomboy
+  totem totem-coherence totem-mozilla totem-plugins
+  transmission-common xdg-user-dirs xdg-user-dirs-gtk xserver-xephyr
+  zip
+</p></blockquote>
+
+Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude
+
+<blockquote><p>
+  arj bluez-utils cheese dhcdbd djvulibre-desktop ekiga eog
+  epiphany-extensions epiphany-gecko evolution-exchange
+  fast-user-switch-applet file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdm gedit
+  gedit-common gnome-app-install gnome-games gnome-games-data
+  gnome-nettool gnome-system-tools gnome-themes gnome-utils
+  gnome-vfs-obexftp gnome-volume-manager gnuchess gucharmap
+  guile-1.8-libs hal libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libavahi-core5
+  libavahi-ui0 libbind9-50 libbluetooth2 libcamel1.2-11 libcdio7
+  libcucul0 libcurl3 libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdmx1 libdvdread3
+  libedata-cal1.2-6 libedataserver1.2-9 libeel2-2.20 libepc-1.0-1
+  libepc-ui-1.0-1 libexchange-storage1.2-3 libfaad0 libgadu3
+  libgalago3 libgd2-noxpm libgda3-3 libgda3-common libggz2 libggzcore9
+  libggzmod4 libgksu1.2-0 libgksuui1.0-1 libgmyth0 libgnome-desktop-2
+  libgnome-pilot2 libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0
+  libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libgpod3 libgraphviz4 libgtk-vnc-1.0-0
+  libgtkhtml2-0 libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-0
+  libgucharmap6 libhesiod0 libicu38 libisccc50 libisccfg50 libiw29
+  libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libkpathsea4 liblircclient0 libltdl3 liblwres50
+  libmagick++10 libmagick10 libmalaga7 libmozjs1d libmpfr1ldbl libmtp7
+  libmysqlclient15off libnautilus-burn4 libneon27 libnm-glib0
+  libnm-util0 libopal-2.2 libosp5 libparted1.8-10 libpisock9
+  libpisync1 libpoppler-glib3 libpoppler3 libpt-1.10.10 libraw1394-8
+  libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsensors3 libsexy2 libsmbios2 libsoup2.2-8
+  libspeexdsp1 libssh2-1 libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libsvga1
+  libswfdec-0.6-90 libtalloc1 libtotem-plparser10 libtrackerclient0
+  libvoikko1 libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java-gcj libxklavier12
+  libxtrap6 libxxf86misc1 libzephyr3 mysql-common rhythmbox seahorse
+  sound-juicer swfdec-gnome system-config-printer totem-common
+  totem-gstreamer transmission-gtk vinagre vino w3c-dtd-xhtml wodim
+</p></blockquote>
+
+<p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>

 
 

-<p>The script is perhaps so simple that it is not copyrightable, but
-if it is, it is licenced using GPL v2 or later at your discretion.</p>
+<blockquote><p>
+  gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs
+</p></blockquote>

 
 

-<p>After doing this, I booted a Debian CD in rescue mode in KVM with
-the new disk image attached, installed grub-pc and linux-image-686 and
-set up grub to boot from the disk image.  After this, the KVM machines
-seem to work just fine.</p>
+<p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>

 
 

-      </div>
-      <div class="tags">
-        
-        
-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
-        
-        
-      </div>
-    </div>
-    <div class="padding"></div>
-    
-    <div class="entry">
-      <div class="title">
-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lenny__Squeeze_upgrades_of_the_Gnome_and_KDE_desktop__now_with_apt_get_autoremove.html">Lenny->Squeeze upgrades of the Gnome and KDE desktop, now with apt-get autoremove</a>
-      </div>
-      <div class="date">
-        22nd November 2010
-      </div>
-      <div class="body">
-        <p>Michael Biebl suggested to me on IRC, that I changed my automated
-upgrade testing of the
-<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian-upgrade-testing/">Lenny
-Gnome and KDE Desktop</a> to do <tt>apt-get autoremove</tt> when using apt-get.
-This seem like a very good idea, so I adjusted by test scripts and
-can now present the updated result from today:</p>
+<blockquote><p>
+[nothing]
+</p></blockquote>

 
 

-<p>This is for Gnome:</p>
+<p>This is for KDE:</p>

 
 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>
 
 <p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  apache2.2-bin
-  aptdaemon
-  baobab
-  binfmt-support
-  browser-plugin-gnash
-  cheese-common
-  cli-common
-  cups-pk-helper
-  dmz-cursor-theme
-  empathy
-  empathy-common
-  freedesktop-sound-theme
-  freeglut3
-  gconf-defaults-service
-  gdm-themes
-  gedit-plugins
-  geoclue
-  geoclue-hostip
-  geoclue-localnet
-  geoclue-manual
-  geoclue-yahoo
-  gnash
-  gnash-common
-  gnome
-  gnome-backgrounds
-  gnome-cards-data
-  gnome-codec-install
-  gnome-core
-  gnome-desktop-environment
-  gnome-disk-utility
-  gnome-screenshot
-  gnome-search-tool
-  gnome-session-canberra
-  gnome-system-log
-  gnome-themes-extras
-  gnome-themes-more
-  gnome-user-share
-  gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
-  gstreamer0.10-tools
-  gtk2-engines
-  gtk2-engines-pixbuf
-  gtk2-engines-smooth
-  hamster-applet
-  libapache2-mod-dnssd
-  libapr1
-  libaprutil1
-  libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3
-  libaprutil1-ldap
-  libart2.0-cil
-  libboost-date-time1.42.0
-  libboost-python1.42.0
-  libboost-thread1.42.0
-  libchamplain-0.4-0
-  libchamplain-gtk-0.4-0
-  libcheese-gtk18
-  libclutter-gtk-0.10-0
-  libcryptui0
-  libdiscid0
-  libelf1
-  libepc-1.0-2
-  libepc-common
-  libepc-ui-1.0-2
-  libfreerdp-plugins-standard
-  libfreerdp0
-  libgconf2.0-cil
-  libgdata-common
-  libgdata7
-  libgdu-gtk0
-  libgee2
-  libgeoclue0
-  libgexiv2-0
-  libgif4
-  libglade2.0-cil
-  libglib2.0-cil
-  libgmime2.4-cil
-  libgnome-vfs2.0-cil
-  libgnome2.24-cil
-  libgnomepanel2.24-cil
-  libgpod-common
-  libgpod4
-  libgtk2.0-cil
-  libgtkglext1
-  libgtksourceview2.0-common
-  libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
-  libmono-addins0.2-cil
-  libmono-cairo2.0-cil
-  libmono-corlib2.0-cil
-  libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil
-  libmono-posix2.0-cil
-  libmono-security2.0-cil
-  libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
-  libmono-system2.0-cil
-  libmtp8
-  libmusicbrainz3-6
-  libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil
-  libndesk-dbus1.0-cil
-  libopal3.6.8
-  libpolkit-gtk-1-0
-  libpt2.6.7
-  libpython2.6
-  librpm1
-  librpmio1
-  libsdl1.2debian
-  libsrtp0
-  libssh-4
-  libtelepathy-farsight0
-  libtelepathy-glib0
-  libtidy-0.99-0
-  media-player-info
-  mesa-utils
-  mono-2.0-gac
-  mono-gac
-  mono-runtime
-  nautilus-sendto
-  nautilus-sendto-empathy
-  p7zip-full
-  pkg-config
-  python-aptdaemon
-  python-aptdaemon-gtk
-  python-axiom
-  python-beautifulsoup
-  python-bugbuddy
-  python-clientform
-  python-coherence
-  python-configobj
-  python-crypto
-  python-cupshelpers
-  python-elementtree
-  python-epsilon
-  python-evolution
-  python-feedparser
-  python-gdata
-  python-gdbm
-  python-gst0.10
-  python-gtkglext1
-  python-gtksourceview2
-  python-httplib2
-  python-louie
-  python-mako
-  python-markupsafe
-  python-mechanize
-  python-nevow
-  python-notify
-  python-opengl
-  python-openssl
-  python-pam
-  python-pkg-resources
-  python-pyasn1
-  python-pysqlite2
-  python-rdflib
-  python-serial
-  python-tagpy
-  python-twisted-bin
-  python-twisted-conch
-  python-twisted-core
-  python-twisted-web
-  python-utidylib
-  python-webkit
-  python-xdg
-  python-zope.interface
-  remmina
-  remmina-plugin-data
-  remmina-plugin-rdp
-  remmina-plugin-vnc
-  rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
-  rhythmbox-plugins
-  rpm-common
-  rpm2cpio
-  seahorse-plugins
-  shotwell
-  software-center
-  system-config-printer-udev
-  telepathy-gabble
-  telepathy-mission-control-5
-  telepathy-salut
-  tomboy
-  totem
-  totem-coherence
-  totem-mozilla
-  totem-plugins
-  transmission-common
-  xdg-user-dirs
-  xdg-user-dirs-gtk
-  xserver-xephyr
+  autopoint bomber bovo cantor cantor-backend-kalgebra cpp-4.3 dcoprss
+  edict espeak espeak-data eyesapplet fifteenapplet finger gettext
+  ghostscript-x git gnome-audio gnugo granatier gs-common
+  gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio indi kaddressbook-plugins kalgebra
+  kalzium-data kanjidic kapman kate-plugins kblocks kbreakout kbstate
+  kde-icons-mono kdeaccessibility kdeaddons-kfile-plugins
+  kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdeartwork-misc kdeartwork-theme-window
+  kdeedu kdeedu-data kdeedu-kvtml-data kdegames kdegames-card-data
+  kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelirc
+  kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
+  kdepim-kfile-plugins kdepim-kio-plugins kdessh kdetoys kdewebdev
+  kdiamond kdnssd kfilereplace kfourinline kgeography-data kigo
+  killbots kiriki klettres-data kmoon kmrml knewsticker-scripts
+  kollision kpf krosspython ksirk ksmserver ksquares kstars-data
+  ksudoku kubrick kweather libasound2-plugins libboost-python1.42.0
+  libcfitsio3 libconvert-binhex-perl libcrypt-ssleay-perl libdb4.6++
+  libdjvulibre-text libdotconf1.0 liberror-perl libespeak1
+  libfinance-quote-perl libgail-common libgsl0ldbl libhtml-parser-perl
+  libhtml-tableextract-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl
+  libio-stringy-perl libkdeedu4 libkdegames5 libkiten4 libkpathsea5
+  libkrossui4 libmailtools-perl libmime-tools-perl
+  libnews-nntpclient-perl libopenbabel3 libportaudio2 libpulse-browse0
+  libservlet2.4-java libspeechd2 libtiff-tools libtimedate-perl
+  libunistring0 liburi-perl libwww-perl libxalan2-java libxerces2-java
+  lirc luatex marble networkstatus noatun-plugins
+  openoffice.org-writer2latex palapeli palapeli-data parley
+  parley-data poster psutils pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat
+  pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-utils quanta-data rocs rsync
+  speech-dispatcher step svgalibg1 texlive-binaries texlive-luatex
+  ttf-sazanami-gothic

 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>
 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  cheese
-  ekiga
-  eog
-  epiphany-extensions
-  evolution-exchange
-  fast-user-switch-applet
-  file-roller
-  gcalctool
-  gconf-editor
-  gdm
-  gedit
-  gedit-common
-  gnome-games
-  gnome-games-data
-  gnome-nettool
-  gnome-system-tools
-  gnome-themes
-  gnuchess
-  gucharmap
-  guile-1.8-libs
-  libavahi-ui0
-  libdmx1
-  libgalago3
-  libgtk-vnc-1.0-0
-  libgtksourceview2.0-0
-  liblircclient0
-  libsdl1.2debian-alsa
-  libspeexdsp1
-  libsvga1
-  rhythmbox
-  seahorse
-  sound-juicer
-  system-config-printer
-  totem-common
-  transmission-gtk
-  vinagre
-  vino
+  amor artsbuilder atlantik atlantikdesigner blinken bluez-utils cvs
+  dhcdbd djvulibre-desktop imlib-base imlib11 kalzium kanagram kandy
+  kasteroids katomic kbackgammon kbattleship kblackbox kbounce kbruch
+  kcron kdat kdemultimedia-kappfinder-data kdeprint kdict kdvi kedit
+  keduca kenolaba kfax kfaxview kfouleggs kgeography kghostview
+  kgoldrunner khangman khexedit kiconedit kig kimagemapeditor
+  kitchensync kiten kjumpingcube klatin klettres klickety klines
+  klinkstatus kmag kmahjongg kmailcvt kmenuedit kmid kmilo kmines
+  kmousetool kmouth kmplot knetwalk kodo kolf kommander konquest kooka
+  kpager kpat kpdf kpercentage kpilot kpoker kpovmodeler krec
+  kregexpeditor kreversi ksame ksayit kshisen ksig ksim ksirc ksirtet
+  ksmiletris ksnake ksokoban kspaceduel kstars ksvg ksysv kteatime
+  ktip ktnef ktouch ktron kttsd ktuberling kturtle ktux kuickshow
+  kverbos kview kviewshell kvoctrain kwifimanager kwin kwin4 kwordquiz
+  kworldclock kxsldbg libakode2 libarts1-akode libarts1-audiofile
+  libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
+  libavahi-core5 libavc1394-0 libbind9-50 libbluetooth2
+  libboost-python1.34.1 libcucul0 libcurl3 libcvsservice0
+  libdirectfb-1.0-0 libdjvulibre21 libdvdread3 libfaad0 libfreebob0
+  libgd2-noxpm libgraphviz4 libgsmme1c2a libgtkhtml2-0 libicu38
+  libiec61883-0 libindex0 libisccc50 libisccfg50 libiw29
+  libjaxp1.3-java-gcj libk3b3 libkcal2b libkcddb1 libkdeedu3
+  libkdegames1 libkdepim1a libkgantt0 libkleopatra1 libkmime2
+  libkpathsea4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1
+  libksieve0 libktnef1 liblockdev1 libltdl3 liblwres50 libmagick10
+  libmimelib1c2a libmodplug0c2 libmozjs1d libmpcdec3 libmpfr1ldbl
+  libneon27 libnm-util0 libopensync0 libpisock9 libpoppler-glib3
+  libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler3 libraw1394-8 librss1 libsensors3
+  libsmbios2 libssh2-1 libsuitesparse-3.1.0 libswfdec-0.6-90
+  libtalloc1 libxalan2-java-gcj libxerces2-java-gcj libxtrap6 lskat
+  mpeglib network-manager-kde noatun pmount tex-common texlive-base
+  texlive-common texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-recommended tidy
+  ttf-dustin ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-sjfonts

 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>
 </p></blockquote>
 
 <p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
 
 <blockquote><p>

-  gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs
+  dolphin kde-core kde-plasma-desktop kde-standard kde-window-manager
+  kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-apps kdebase-workspace
+  kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdeutils kscreensaver
+  kscreensaver-xsavers libgle3 libkonq5 libkonq5-templates libnetpbm10
+  netpbm plasma-widget-folderview plasma-widget-networkmanagement
+  xscreensaver-data-extra xscreensaver-gl xscreensaver-gl-extra
+  xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod
+</p></blockquote>
+
+<p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
+
+<blockquote><p>
+  kdebase-bin konq-plugins konqueror

 </p></blockquote>
 
 </p></blockquote>
 

-<p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
+      </div>
+      <div class="tags">
+        
+        
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
+        
+        
+      </div>
+    </div>
+    <div class="padding"></div>
+    
+    <div class="entry">
+      <div class="title">
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Gnash_buildbot_slave_and_Debian_kfreebsd.html">Gnash buildbot slave and Debian kfreebsd</a>
+      </div>
+      <div class="date">
+        20th November 2010
+      </div>
+      <div class="body">
+        <p>Answering
+<a href="http://www.listware.net/201011/gnash-dev/67431-gnash-dev-buildbot-looking-for-slaves.html">the
+call from the Gnash project</a> for
+<a href="http://www.gnashdev.org:8010">buildbot</a> slaves to test the
+current source, I have set up a virtual KVM machine on the Debian
+Edu/Skolelinux virtualization host to test the git source on
+Debian/Squeeze.  I hope this can help the developers in getting new
+releases out more often.</p>
+
+<p>As the developers want less main-stream build platforms tested to,
+I have considered setting up a <a
+href="http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/">Debian/kfreebsd</a>
+machine as well.  I have also considered using the kfreebsd
+architecture in Debian as a file server in NUUG to get access to the 5
+TB zfs volume we currently use to store DV video.  Because of this, I
+finally got around to do a test installation of Debian/Squeeze with
+kfreebsd.  Installation went fairly smooth, thought I noticed some
+visual glitches in the cdebconf dialogs (black cursor left on the
+screen at random locations).  Have not gotten very far with the
+testing.  Noticed cfdisk did not work, but fdisk did so it was not a
+fatal problem.  Have to spend some more time on it to see if it is
+useful as a file server for NUUG.  Will try to find time to set up a
+gnash buildbot slave on the Debian Edu/Skolelinux this weekend.</p>
+
+      </div>
+      <div class="tags">
+        
+        
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
+        
+        
+      </div>
+    </div>
+    <div class="padding"></div>
+    
+    <div class="entry">
+      <div class="title">
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/N__er_74_norske_overv_kningskamera_registert_i_OpenStreetmap_org.html">Nå er 74 norske overvåkningskamera registert i OpenStreetmap.org</a>
+      </div>
+      <div class="date">
+        18th November 2010
+      </div>
+      <div class="body">
+        <p>Jeg oppdaterte nettopp kartet med overvåkningskamera som
+<a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Kart_over_overv__kningskamera_i_Norge.html">jeg
+startet</a> for ca. et og et halvt år siden, og nå er det 74 kamera på
+plass.  I prosessen med å oppdatere kartet oppdaget jeg ved en
+tilfeldighet at webreferansen til registermeldingen hos Datatilsynet
+nå ikke lenger er gyldig (se
+<a href="http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_view.pl?id=31062">tidligere
+melding</a>).  Antar Datatilsynet fjerner utdaterte meldinger fra
+databasen.  Konsekvensen blir at kameraoversikten i OSM må ha med
+søkekriteriene som ble brukt for å finne registermeldingen
+(dvs. virksomhetsnavn og organisasjonsnummer), slik at eventuelt nye
+meldinger for samme kamera kan finnes igjen.</p>
+
+<p>Det er dukket opp kamera på
+<a href="http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/">kartet</a>
+i Bergensområdet, Stavangerområdet, Osloområdet, Gjøvikområdet og i
+Troms.  Mange områder og kamera mangler, og jeg er overbevist om at
+bare en brøkdel av den enorme mengden kamera som nå finnes i det
+offentlige rom er registrert så langt.  Instrukser for å legge inn
+kamera finnes på websiden for kartet hos
+<a href="http://personvern.no/wiki/index.php/Kameraovervåkning">personvernforeningen</a>.</p>
+
+      </div>
+      <div class="tags">
+        
+        
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/surveillance">surveillance</a>.
+        
+        
+      </div>
+    </div>
+    <div class="padding"></div>
+    
+    <div class="entry">
+      <div class="title">
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Gjendikte_sangen__Copying_Is_Not_Theft__p__Norsk_.html">Gjendikte sangen "Copying Is Not Theft" på Norsk?</a>
+      </div>
+      <div class="date">
+        10th November 2010
+      </div>
+      <div class="body">
+        <p>En genial liten sang om kopiering og tyveri er
+<a href="http://www.archive.org/details/CopyingIsNotTheft">Copying Is
+Not Theft</a> av Nina Paley.  Den vil jeg at
+<a href="http://www.nuug.no/">NUUG</a> skal sende på
+<a href="http://www.frikanalen.no/">Frikanalen</a>, men først må vi
+fikse norske undertekster eller dubbing.  Og i og med at det er en
+sang, tror jeg den kanskje bør gjendiktes.
+
+Selve teksten finner en på bloggen til
+<a href="http://blog.ninapaley.com/2009/12/15/minute-meme-1-copying-is-not-theft/">tekstforfatteren</a> og den ser slik ut:
+
+<p><blockquote>
+<p>Copying is not theft.
+<br>Stealing a thing leaves one less left
+<br>Copying it makes one thing more;
+<br>that's what copying's for.</p>
+
+<p>Copying is not theft.
+<br>If I copy yours you have it too
+<br>One for me and one for you
+<br>That's what copies can do</p>
+
+<p>If I steal your bicycle
+<br>you have to take the bus,
+<br>but if I just copy it
+<br>there's one for each of us!</p>
+
+<p>Making more of a thing,
+<br>that is what we call "copying"
+<br>Sharing ideas with everyone
+<br>That's why copying
+<br>is
+<br>FUN!</p>
+</blockquote></p>
+
+<p>Her er et naivt forsøk på oversettelse, uten noe forsøk på
+gjendiktning eller få det til å flyte sammen med melodien.</p>
+
+<p><blockquote>
+<p>Kopiering er ikke tyveri.
+<br>Stjeler du en ting er det en mindre igjen
+<br>Kopier den og det er ting til.
+<br>det er derfor vi har kopiering.</p>
+
+<p>Kopiering er ikke tyveri.
+<br>Hvis jeg kopierer din så har du den fortsatt
+<br>En for meg og en for deg.
+<br>Det er det kopier gir oss</p>
+
+<p>Hvis jeg stjeler sykkelen din
+<br>så må du ta bussen,
+<br>men hvis jeg bare kopierer den,
+<br>så får vi hver vår!</p>
+
+<p>Lage mer av en ting,
+<br>det er det vi kaller "kopiering".
+<br>Deler ideer med enhver
+<br>Det er derfor kopiering
+<br>er
+<br>MORSOMT!</p>
+</blockquote></p>
+
+<p>Hvis du har forslag til bedre oversettelse eller lyst til å bidra
+til å få denne sangen over i norsk språkdrakt, ta kontakt med video
+(at) nuug.no.</p>

 
 

-<blockquote><p>
-[nothing]
-</p></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <div class="tags">
+        
+        
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/fildeling">fildeling</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/frikanalen">frikanalen</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>.
+        
+        
+      </div>
+    </div>
+    <div class="padding"></div>
+    
+    <div class="entry">
+      <div class="title">
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_in_3D.html">Debian in 3D</a>
+      </div>
+      <div class="date">
+         9th November 2010
+      </div>
+      <div class="body">
+        <p><img src="http://thingiverse-production.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/23/e0/c4/f9/2b/debswagtdose_preview_medium.jpg"></p>

 
 

-<p>This is for KDE:</p>
+<p>3D printing is just great.  I just came across this Debian logo in
+3D linked in from
+<a href="http://blog.thingiverse.com/2010/11/09/participatory-branding/">the
+thingiverse blog</a>.</p>

 
 

-<p>Installed using apt-get, missing with aptitude</p>
+      </div>
+      <div class="tags">
+        
+        
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/3d-printer">3d-printer</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
+        
+        
+      </div>
+    </div>
+    <div class="padding"></div>
+    
+    <div class="entry">
+      <div class="title">
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Datatilsynet_mangler_verkt_yet_som_trengs_for___kontrollere_kameraoverv_kning.html">Datatilsynet mangler verktøyet som trengs for å kontrollere kameraovervåkning</a>
+      </div>
+      <div class="date">
+         9th November 2010
+      </div>
+      <div class="body">
+        <p>En stund tilbake ble jeg oppmerksom på at Datatilsynets verktøy for
+å holde rede på overvåkningskamera i Norge ikke var egnet til annet
+enn å lage statistikk, og ikke kunne brukes for å kontrollere om et
+overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom er lovlig satt opp og
+registrert.  For å teste hypotesen sendte jeg for noen dager siden
+følgende spørsmål til datatilsynet.  Det omtalte kameraet står litt
+merkelig plassert i veigrøften ved gangstien langs Sandakerveien, og
+jeg lurer oppriktig på om det er lovlig plassert og registrert.</p>

 
 

-<blockquote><p>
-  ksmserver
-</p></blockquote>
+<p><blockquote>
+<p>Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:08:20 +0100
+<br>From: Petter Reinholdtsen &lt;pere (at) hungry.com&gt;
+<br>To: postkasse (at) datatilsynet.no
+<br>Subject: Er overvåkningskameraet korrekt registrert?</p>

 
 

-<p>Installed using apt-get, removed with aptitude</p>
+<p>Hei.</p>

 
 

-<blockquote><p>
-  kwin
-  network-manager-kde
-</p></blockquote>
+<p>I Nydalen i Oslo er det mange overvåkningskamera, og et av dem er
+spesielt merkelig plassert like over et kumlokk.  Jeg lurer på om
+dette kameraet er korrekt registrert og i henhold til lovverket.</p>

 
 

-<p>Installed using aptitude, missing with apt-get</p>
+<p>Finner ingen eierinformasjon på kameraet, og dermed heller ingenting å
+søke på i &lt;URL:
+<a href="http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_search.pl">http://hetti.datatilsynet.no/melding/report_search.pl</a> &gt;.
+Kartreferanse for kameraet er tilgjengelig fra
+&lt;URL:
+<a href="http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/?zoom=17&lat=59.94918&lon=10.76962&layers=B0T">http://people.skolelinux.no/pere/surveillance-norway/?zoom=17&lat=59.94918&lon=10.76962&layers=B0T</a> &gt;.

 
 

-<blockquote><p>
-  arts
-  dolphin
-  freespacenotifier
-  google-gadgets-gst
-  google-gadgets-xul
-  kappfinder
-  kcalc
-  kcharselect
-  kde-core
-  kde-plasma-desktop
-  kde-standard
-  kde-window-manager
-  kdeartwork
-  kdeartwork-emoticons
-  kdeartwork-style
-  kdeartwork-theme-icon
-  kdebase
-  kdebase-apps
-  kdebase-workspace
-  kdebase-workspace-bin
-  kdebase-workspace-data
-  kdeeject
-  kdelibs
-  kdeplasma-addons
-  kdeutils
-  kdewallpapers
-  kdf
-  kfloppy
-  kgpg
-  khelpcenter4
-  kinfocenter
-  konq-plugins-l10n
-  konqueror-nsplugins
-  kscreensaver
-  kscreensaver-xsavers
-  ktimer
-  kwrite
-  libgle3
-  libkde4-ruby1.8
-  libkonq5
-  libkonq5-templates
-  libnetpbm10
-  libplasma-ruby
-  libplasma-ruby1.8
-  libqt4-ruby1.8
-  marble-data
-  marble-plugins
-  netpbm
-  nuvola-icon-theme
-  plasma-dataengines-workspace
-  plasma-desktop
-  plasma-desktopthemes-artwork
-  plasma-runners-addons
-  plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets
-  plasma-scriptengine-python
-  plasma-scriptengine-qedje
-  plasma-scriptengine-ruby
-  plasma-scriptengine-webkit
-  plasma-scriptengines
-  plasma-wallpapers-addons
-  plasma-widget-folderview
-  plasma-widget-networkmanagement
-  ruby
-  sweeper
-  update-notifier-kde
-  xscreensaver-data-extra
-  xscreensaver-gl
-  xscreensaver-gl-extra
-  xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod
-</p></blockquote>
+<p>Kan dere fortelle meg om dette kameraet er registrert hos
+Datatilsynet som det skal være i henhold til lovverket?</p>

 
 

-<p>Installed using aptitude, removed with apt-get</p>
+<p>Det hadde forresten vært fint om rådata fra kameraregisteret var
+tilgjengelig på web og regelmessig oppdatert, for å kunne søke på
+andre ting enn organisasjonsnavn og -nummer ved å laste det ned og
+gjøre egne søk.</p>

 
 

-<blockquote><p>
-  ark
-  google-gadgets-common
-  google-gadgets-qt
-  htdig
-  kate
-  kdebase-bin
-  kdebase-data
-  kdepasswd
-  kfind
-  klipper
-  konq-plugins
-  konqueror
-  ksysguard
-  ksysguardd
-  libarchive1
-  libcln6
-  libeet1
-  libeina-svn-06
-  libggadget-1.0-0b
-  libggadget-qt-1.0-0b
-  libgps19
-  libkdecorations4
-  libkephal4
-  libkonq4
-  libkonqsidebarplugin4a
-  libkscreensaver5
-  libksgrd4
-  libksignalplotter4
-  libkunitconversion4
-  libkwineffects1a
-  libmarblewidget4
-  libntrack-qt4-1
-  libntrack0
-  libplasma-geolocation-interface4
-  libplasmaclock4a
-  libplasmagenericshell4
-  libprocesscore4a
-  libprocessui4a
-  libqalculate5
-  libqedje0a
-  libqtruby4shared2
-  libqzion0a
-  libruby1.8
-  libscim8c2a
-  libsmokekdecore4-3
-  libsmokekdeui4-3
-  libsmokekfile3
-  libsmokekhtml3
-  libsmokekio3
-  libsmokeknewstuff2-3
-  libsmokeknewstuff3-3
-  libsmokekparts3
-  libsmokektexteditor3
-  libsmokekutils3
-  libsmokenepomuk3
-  libsmokephonon3
-  libsmokeplasma3
-  libsmokeqtcore4-3
-  libsmokeqtdbus4-3
-  libsmokeqtgui4-3
-  libsmokeqtnetwork4-3
-  libsmokeqtopengl4-3
-  libsmokeqtscript4-3
-  libsmokeqtsql4-3
-  libsmokeqtsvg4-3
-  libsmokeqttest4-3
-  libsmokeqtuitools4-3
-  libsmokeqtwebkit4-3
-  libsmokeqtxml4-3
-  libsmokesolid3
-  libsmokesoprano3
-  libtaskmanager4a
-  libtidy-0.99-0
-  libweather-ion4a
-  libxklavier16
-  libxxf86misc1
-  okteta
-  oxygencursors
-  plasma-dataengines-addons
-  plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba
-  plasma-widget-lancelot
-  plasma-widgets-addons
-  plasma-widgets-workspace
-  polkit-kde-1
-  ruby1.8
-  systemsettings
-  update-notifier-common
-</p></blockquote>
+<p>Vennlig hilsen,
+<br>--
+<br>Petter Reinholdtsen
+</blockquote></p>

 
 

-<p>Running apt-get autoremove made the results using apt-get and
-aptitude a bit more similar, but there are still quite a lott of
-differences.  I have no idea what packages should be installed after
-the upgrade, but hope those that do can have a look.</p>
+<p>Her er svaret som kom dagen etter:</p>

 
 

-      </div>
-      <div class="tags">
-        
-        
-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>.
-        
-        
-      </div>
-    </div>
-    <div class="padding"></div>
-    
-    <div class="entry">
-      <div class="title">
-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/DND_hedrer_overv_kning_av_barn_med_Rosingsprisen.html">DND hedrer overvåkning av barn med Rosingsprisen</a>
-      </div>
-      <div class="date">
-        23rd November 2010
-      </div>
-      <div class="body">
-        <p>Jeg registrerer med vond smak i munnen at Den Norske Dataforening
-<a
-href="http://www.dataforeningen.no/hedret-med-rosingprisen.4849070-133913.html">hedrer
-overvåkning av barn med Rosingsprisen for kreativitet i år</a>.  Jeg
-er glad jeg nå er meldt ut av DND.</p>
+<p><blockquote>
+<p>Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:44:09 +0100
+<br>From: "juridisk" &lt;juridisk (at) Datatilsynet.no&gt;
+<br>To: Petter Reinholdtsen
+<br>Subject: VS: Er overvåkningskameraet korrekt registrert?

 
 

-<p>Å elektronisk overvåke sine barn er ikke å gjøre dem en tjeneste,
-men et overgrep mot individer i utvikling som bør læres opp til å ta
-egne valg.</p>
+<p>Viser til e-post av 2. november.

 
 

-<p>For å sitere Datatilsynets nye leder, Bjørn Erik Thon, i
-<a href="http://www.idg.no/computerworld/article174262.ece">et intervju
-med Computerworld Norge</A>:</p>
+<p>Datatilsynet er det forvaltningsorganet som skal kontrollere at
+personopplysningsloven blir fulgt. Formålet med loven er å verne
+enkeltpersoner mot krenking av personvernet gjennom behandling av
+personopplysninger.</p>

 
 

-<p><blockquote>
-- For alle som har barn, meg selv inkludert, er førstetanken at det
-hadde vært fint å vite hvor barnet sitt er til enhver tid. Men ungene
-har ikke godt av det. De er små individer som skal søke rundt og finne
-sine små gjemmesteder og utvide horisonten, uten at foreldrene ser dem
-i kortene. Det kan være fristende, men jeg ville ikke gått inn i
-dette.
+<p>Juridisk veiledningstjeneste hos Datatilsynet gir råd og veiledning
+omkring personopplysningslovens regler på generelt grunnlag.</p>
+
+<p>Datatilsynet har dessverre ikke en fullstendig oversikt over alle
+kameraer, den oversikten som finner er i vår meldingsdatabase som du
+finner her:
+<a href="http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____211.aspx">http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____211.aspx</a></p>
+
+<p>Denne databasen gir en oversikt over virksomheter som har meldt inn
+kameraovervåkning. Dersom man ikek vet hvilken virksomhet som er
+ansvarlig, er det heller ikke mulig for Datatilsynet å søke dette
+opp.</p>
+
+<p>Webkameraer som har så dårlig oppløsning at man ikke kan gjenkjenne
+enkeltpersoner er ikke meldepliktige, da dette ikke anses som
+kameraovervåkning i personopplysningslovens forstand. Dersom kameraet
+du sikter til er et slikt webkamera, vil det kanskje ikke finnes i
+meldingsdatabasen på grunn av dette.  Også dersom et kamera med god
+oppløsning ikke filmer mennesker, faller det utenfor loven.</p>
+
+<p>Datatilsynet har laget en veileder som gjennomgår når det er lov å
+overvåke med kamera, se lenke:
+<a href="http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____401.aspx">http://www.datatilsynet.no/templates/article____401.aspx</a></p>
+
+<p>Dersom det ikke er klart hvem som er ansvarlig for kameraet, er det
+vanskelig for Datatilsynet å ta kontakt med den ansvarlige for å få
+avklart om kameraet er satt opp i tråd med tilsynets regelverk. Dersom
+du mener at kameraet ikke er lovlig ut fra informasjonen ovenfor, kan
+kameraet anmeldes til politiet.</p>
+
+<p>Med vennlig hilsen</p>
+
+<p>Maria Bakke
+<br>Juridisk veiledningstjeneste
+<br>Datatilsynet</p>

 </blockquote></p>
 
 </blockquote></p>
 

-<p>Det er skremmende å se at DND mener en tjeneste som legger opp til
-slike overgrep bør hedres.  Å flytte oppveksten for barn inn i en
-virtuell
-<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon">Panopticon</a> er et
-grovt overgrep og vil gjøre skade på barnenes utvikling, og foreldre
-burde tenke seg godt om før de gir etter for sine instinkter her.</p>
+<p>Personlig synes jeg det bør være krav om å registrere hvert eneste
+overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom hos Datatilsynet, med
+kartreferanse og begrunnelse om hvorfor det er satt opp, slik at
+enhver borger enkelt kan hente ut kart over områder vi er interessert
+i og sjekke om det er overvåkningskamera der som er satt opp uten å
+være registert.  Slike registreringer skal jo i dag fornyes
+regelmessing, noe jeg mistenker ikke blir gjort.  Dermed kan kamera
+som en gang var korrekt registrert nå være ulovlig satt opp.  Det
+burde også være bøter for å ha kamera som ikke er korrekt registrert,
+slik at en ikke kan ignorere registrering uten at det får
+konsekvenser.</p>

 
 

-<p>Blipper-tjenesten får meg til å tenke på bøkene til
-<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Twelve_Hawks">John Twelve
-Hawks</a>, som forbilledlig beskriver hvordan et totalitært
-overvåkningssamfunn bygges sakte men sikkert rundt oss, satt sammen av
-gode intensjoner og manglende bevissthet om hvilke prinsipper et
-liberalt demokrati er fundamentert på.  Jeg har hatt stor glede av å
-lese alle de tre bøkene.</p>
+<p>En ide fra England som jeg har sans (lite annet jeg har sans for
+når det gjelder overvåkningskamera i England) for er at enhver borger
+kan be om å få kopi av det som er tatt opp med et overvåkningskamera i
+det offentlige rom, noe som gjør at det kan komme løpende utgifter ved
+å sette overvåkningskamera.  Jeg tror alt som gjør det mindre
+attraktivt å ha overvåkningskamera i det offentlige rom er en god
+ting, så et slikt lovverk i Norge tror jeg hadde vært nyttig.</p>

 
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       <div class="tags">
         
         

-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>.
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/surveillance">surveillance</a>.

         
         
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@@ -1294,49 +1275,54 @@ lese alle de tre bøkene.</p>
     
     <div class="entry">
       <div class="title">
     
     <div class="entry">
       <div class="title">

-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Why_isn_t_Debian_Edu_using_VLC_.html">Why isn't Debian Edu using VLC?</a>
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Making_room_on_the_Debian_Edu_Sqeeze_DVD.html">Making room on the Debian Edu/Sqeeze DVD</a>

       </div>
       <div class="date">
       </div>
       <div class="date">

-        27th November 2010
+         7th November 2010

       </div>
       <div class="body">
       </div>
       <div class="body">

-        <p>In the latest issue of Linux Journal, the readers choices were
-presented, and the winner among the multimedia player were VLC.
-Personally, I like VLC, and it is my player of choice when I first try
-to play a video file or stream.  Only if VLC fail will I drag out
-gmplayer to see if it can do better.  The reason is mostly the failure
-model and trust.  When VLC fail, it normally pop up a error message
-reporting the problem.  When mplayer fail, it normally segfault or
-just hangs.  The latter failure mode drain my trust in the program.<p>
+        <p>Prioritising packages for the Debian Edu /
+<a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Skolelinux</a> DVD, which is
+supposed provide a school with all the services and user applications
+needed on the pupils computer network has always been hard.  Even
+schools without Internet connections should be able to get Debian Edu
+working using this DVD.</p>

 
 

-<p>But even if VLC is my player of choice, we have choosen to use
-mplayer in <a href="http://www.skolelinux.org/">Debian
-Edu/Skolelinux</a>.  The reason is simple.  We need a good browser
-plugin to play web videos seamlessly, and the VLC browser plugin is
-not very good.  For example, it lack in-line control buttons, so there
-is no way for the user to pause the video.  Also, when I
-<a href="http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/BrowserMultimedia">last
-tested the browser plugins</a> available in Debian, the VLC plugin
-failed on several video pages where mplayer based plugins worked.  If
-the browser plugin for VLC was as good as the gecko-mediaplayer
-package (which uses mplayer), we would switch.</P>
+<p>The job became a lot harder when apt and aptitude started
+installing recommended packages by default.  We want the same set of
+packages to be installed when using the DVD and the netinst CD, and
+that means all recommended packages need to be on the DVD.  I created
+a patch for debian-cd in <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/601203">BTS
+report #601203</a> to do this, and since this change was applied to
+the Debian Edu DVD build, we have been seriously short on space.</p>

 
 

-<p>While VLC is a good player, its user interface is slightly
-annoying.  The most annoying feature is its inconsistent use of
-keyboard shortcuts.  When the player is in full screen mode, its
-shortcuts are different from when it is playing the video in a window.
-For example, space only work as pause when in full screen mode.  I
-wish it had consisten shortcuts and that space also would work when in
-window mode.  Another nice shortcut in gmplayer is [enter] to restart
-the current video.  It is very nice when playing short videos from the
-web and want to restart it when new people arrive to have a look at
-what is going on.</p>
+<p>A few days ago we decided to drop blender, wxmaxima and kicad from
+the default installation to save space on the DVD, believing that
+those needing these applications are few and can get them from the
+Debian archive.</p>
+
+<p>Yesterday, I had a look what source packages to see which packages
+were using most space.  A few large packages are well know;
+openoffice.org, openclipart and fluid-soundfont.  But I also
+discovered that lilypond used 106 MiB and fglrx-driver used 53 MiB.
+The lilypond package is pulled in as a dependency for rosegarden, and
+when looking a bit closer I discovered that 99 MiB of the 106 MiB were
+the documentation package, which is recommended by the binary package.
+I decided to drop this documentation package from our DVD, as most of
+our users will use the GUI front-ends and do not need the lilypond
+documentation.  Similarly, I dropped the non-free fglrx-driver package
+which might be installed by d-i when its hardware is detected, as the
+free X driver should work.</p>
+
+<p>With this change, we finally got space for the LXDE and Gnome
+desktop packages as well as the language specific packages making the
+DVD more useful again.</p>

 
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       <div class="tags">
         
         
 
       </div>
       <div class="tags">
         
         

-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/multimedia">multimedia</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/video">video</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/web">web</a>.
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.

         
         
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@@ -1345,33 +1331,47 @@ what is going on.</p>
     
     <div class="entry">
       <div class="title">
     
     <div class="entry">
       <div class="title">

-        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Debian_Edu_development_gathering_and_General_Assembly_for_FRiSK.html">Debian Edu development gathering and General Assembly for FRiSK</a>
+        <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Norgeskartet_p__mange_vis___via_OpenStreetmap_org.html">Norgeskartet på mange vis - via OpenStreetmap.org</a>

       </div>
       <div class="date">
       </div>
       <div class="date">

-        29th November 2010
+         1st November 2010

       </div>
       <div class="body">
       </div>
       <div class="body">

-        <p>On friday, the first Debian Edu / Skolelinux
-<a href="http://www.friprogramvareiskolen.no/Gathering/2010-12-03-05-Oslo">development
-gathering</a> in a long time take place here in Oslo, Norway.  I
-really look forward to seeing all the good people working on the
-Squeeze release.  The gathering is open for everyone interested in
-learning more about Debian Edu / Skolelinux.</p>
+        <p>Har oppdaget at mange ikke er klar over at OpenStreetmap.org er
+tilgjengelig i en rekke forskjellige formater.  Her er en liste med
+eksporter jeg kjenner til for Norge, for de som trenger et
+fribrukskart til sine tjenester:</p>

 
 

-<p>On Saturday, the Norwegian member organization taking care of
-organizing these development gatherings, Fri Programvare i Skolen,
-will hold its
-<a href="http://friprogramvareiskolen.no/Genfors/2010">General Assembly
-for 2010</a>.  Membership is open for all, and currently there are 388
-people registered as members.  Last year 32 members cast their vote in
-the memberdb based election system.  I hope more people find time to
-vote this year.</p>
+<p><ul>
+
+<li>Cloudmade tilbyr OSM XML, Garmin Map Files, Osmosis country
+bounding polygon, Shapefile, Navit maps, GPX POI, TomTom POI og OSM
+XML feature extracts via
+<a href="http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe/norway">sine
+nedlastingssider</a>.</li>
+
+<li>Geofabric tilbyr
+<a href="http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.osm.bz2">OSM
+XML</a>,
+<a href="http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.osm.pbf">OSM
+protobuf binærformat</a> og
+<a href="http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/norway.shp.zip">ESRI
+Shapefile (EPSG:4326)</a> fra sine nedlastingssider.</li>
+
+<li>Frikart.no tilbyr
+<a href="http://www.frikart.no/garmin/">Garmin-kart</a> i uike
+varianter for veibruk og turbruk sommer og vinter.</li>
+
+</ul></p>
+
+<p>Kartene oppdateres regelmessig, som oftest hver uke.  Det skulle
+dermed være noe for enhver smak.</p>

 
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       <div class="tags">
         
         
 
       </div>
       <div class="tags">
         
         

-        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug</a>.
+        Tags: <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/kart">kart</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk</a>, <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/web">web</a>.

         
         
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       </div>


@@ -1386,6 +1386,19 @@ vote this year.</p>
 <h2>Archive</h2>
 <ul>
 
 <h2>Archive</h2>
 <ul>
 

+<li>2013
+<ul>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2013/01/">January (11)</a></li>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2013/02/">February (9)</a></li>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2013/03/">March (9)</a></li>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2013/04/">April (2)</a></li>
+
+</ul></li>
+

 <li>2012
 <ul>
 
 <li>2012
 <ul>
 


@@ -1401,7 +1414,17 @@ vote this year.</p>
 
 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/06/">June (20)</a></li>
 
 
 <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/06/">June (20)</a></li>
 

-<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/07/">July (14)</a></li>
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/07/">July (17)</a></li>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/08/">August (6)</a></li>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/09/">September (9)</a></li>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/10/">October (17)</a></li>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/11/">November (10)</a></li>
+
+<li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/archive/2012/12/">December (7)</a></li>

 
 </ul></li>
 
 
 </ul></li>
 


@@ -1514,51 +1537,59 @@ vote this year.</p>
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/aros">aros (1)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/aros">aros (1)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bitcoin">bitcoin (2)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bankid">bankid (4)</a></li>
+
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bitcoin">bitcoin (6)</a></li>

 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bootsystem">bootsystem (12)</a></li>
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bsa">bsa (2)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bootsystem">bootsystem (12)</a></li>
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/bsa">bsa (2)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian (55)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian">debian (71)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu (110)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/debian edu">debian edu (121)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/digistan">digistan (9)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/digistan">digistan (10)</a></li>
+
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/docbook">docbook (9)</a></li>

 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/drivstoffpriser">drivstoffpriser (4)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/drivstoffpriser">drivstoffpriser (4)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english (142)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/english">english (186)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/fiksgatami">fiksgatami (17)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/fiksgatami">fiksgatami (21)</a></li>

 
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- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/frikanalen">frikanalen (6)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/freeculture">freeculture (11)</a></li>
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+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/frikanalen">frikanalen (11)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/intervju">intervju (30)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/intervju">intervju (33)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/kart">kart (16)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/isenkram">isenkram (6)</a></li>
+
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/kart">kart (18)</a></li>

 
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  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/ldap">ldap (8)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/lenker">lenker (4)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/lenker">lenker (6)</a></li>

 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/ltsp">ltsp (1)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/ltsp">ltsp (1)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/multimedia">multimedia (22)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/multimedia">multimedia (25)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk (189)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/norsk">norsk (228)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug (140)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/nuug">nuug (151)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/offentlig innsyn">offentlig innsyn (4)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/offentlig innsyn">offentlig innsyn (7)</a></li>

 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/open311">open311 (2)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/open311">open311 (2)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett (33)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/opphavsrett">opphavsrett (44)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern (48)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/personvern">personvern (65)</a></li>

 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/raid">raid (1)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/raid">raid (1)</a></li>
 


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  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/rfid">rfid (2)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/robot">robot (4)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/robot">robot (6)</a></li>

 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/rss">rss (1)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/rss">rss (1)</a></li>
 


@@ -1574,34 +1605,36 @@ vote this year.</p>
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/scraperwiki">scraperwiki (2)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/scraperwiki">scraperwiki (2)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet (23)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sikkerhet">sikkerhet (29)</a></li>

 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sitesummary">sitesummary (4)</a></li>
 
 
  <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sitesummary">sitesummary (4)</a></li>
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/skepsis">skepsis (1)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/skepsis">skepsis (4)</a></li>
+
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/standard">standard (41)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/standard">standard (35)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/stavekontroll">stavekontroll (3)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/stavekontroll">stavekontroll (1)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/stortinget">stortinget (6)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/stortinget">stortinget (4)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/surveillance">surveillance (15)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/surveillance">surveillance (10)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/sysadmin">sysadmin (1)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/valg">valg (6)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/valg">valg (7)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/video">video (32)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/video">video (38)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/vitenskap">vitenskap (1)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/vitenskap">vitenskap (4)</a></li>

 
 

- <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/web">web (25)</a></li>
+ <li><a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/web">web (26)</a></li>

 
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